So far we dont really see the increasing pace. Afaik the statement was made before Ulduar gearing impacted warrior, so at this point Fury should do considerably more dmg than ret, following blizzs own statement.
Thats actually one of the legit arguments in favor of a fury buff
Says who? You? Because blizzard never said “at the end of Ulduar warriors will do considerably more damage than ret”
They did say
When ret got buffed they surpassed fury. Now as hard modes are being cleared more and gear is going out fury has passed ret.
What this is is a lack of desire to wait. Rogues waited to P5 to scale in TBC. All sims are pointing at P4 being when warriors start making moves up charts. Take sims for what you will this far out, but they’re better than the feelycraft happening on the forums
I still don’t think class balance should be a thing for Classic servers. These servers are supposed to represent a fixed snapshot in time, and should reflect the class balance of that moment.
I want to play the last patch of WotLK with everything the way it was right then.
I don’t know - I kind of think the “no utility” argument is kind of weak.
People do factor in having a Warrior for Commanding Shout and Sunders, the dps Warriors do, while mediocre, is enough to justify it.
Tribrid classes like Druids and Pallys have a much larger list of utility but it doesn’t really result in Warrior utility not being used so it’s kind of moot.
commanding is one of the least relevant buffs, and if critical you could take a 20 yard imp for almost as much hp and get more dps in the process. Sunder takes 5 stacks to sunder and on many encounters costs more dps than having a rogue doing it.
this isn’t true and its not the first time you’ve said it, destro warlock is not used at all really, the imp sucks, its 1/2 the hp in a 20 yard radius…and the destro lock is barely any better than fury warrior in terms of dps and it also shares loot with all of the actual good specs in the game
you can sit here and talk down destro and then try to justify warrior? yikes
its also not half, try more around 80%
also note, you can be a world first ulduar guild and if your run has a prot war in it you run 0 fury warriors because fury/arms are dead mostly. Bottom of the barrel w/ low utility. You can argue that bringing one warrior of any spec for the easier commanding shout at the cost of lock dps works out in the end to help spread loot around. Thats it.
Its the least desirable class for any raid in the game right now. Pretty much every serious raid takes 0 - 1 warriors.
And yet, almost every top raid makes sure to bring it… Maybe because it’s a good deal stronger than you give it credit for, and is worth having a slightly lower DPS slot (because let’s be real, a theoretical 1k damage is pretty slight right) to pick it up.
And this is with fury at the worst point it will be for the rest of the expansion…
these are the top parses in the world compared against eachother for destro and fury warrior, destro only wins on 2 bosses, vezax and hodir, both insanely caster friendly fights, every other encounter including single target, fury wins, destro sucks
Yep, which blizzard explicitly admitted as a mistake when they tried to roll back that damage buff with a nerf, which could still hit in the next patch with something more targeted.
you immediately revert the buff if you think its a mistake
0 reason to let it go on and on and on until you cant take it away anymore
be real… Aggrend plays ret, then ret gets an arbitrary balance buff. Then after that feral, the class w/ battle rez and innervate and the same dps as fury, gets a 20% buff. Fury still rock bottom with no hope to scale anywhere beyond middle of the pack and feral still at the top with all their utility.