Thank you you for looking into this.
And now that I know I will not join any GDKPs again.
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See, the problem with this oversimplification is that every situation is different. Players that come in here and say “I did nothing wrong” are often (almost every time) confronted with a quick synopsis of what exactly they did wrong.
In the general category of GDKP runs, the excuse of “I didn’t know where the goods came from” is not a valid excuse. To extend your “IRL” example, you see a TV in a store window for $1000, but some random dude beckons you to his van in the alley, where he wants to sell you the exact same TV for $100. What a deal, am I right? I mean, how are you supposed to know the TV is probably stolen, am I right? If you never ask the question, how could you possibly know the answer, am I right?
Operating in shady situations makes you look shady, too. Trying to claim you’re the bastion of all things good in these shady situations is not going to be believed, whether you’re telling the truth or not.
Finally, while they might have accepted such an excuse in the past does not mean they will always accept it. They are trying to end gold selling/buying, and if that means more players in the endless chain are being held accountable, then that is how they are dealing with it. In the OP’s case in this thread, Blizzard is not overturning it because they were wrong. They are overturning it as a courtesy. I believe the OP understands that such a courtesy won’t be extended again.
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Have you ever done GDKPs? Honestly, I wasn’t aware there was anything “shady” about them. Most people who do them are not shady, they just want to make gold and get some good gear! From the GDKPs I’ve done in Classic, the amount of gold that gear goes for is not unobtainable, it 100% makes sense that these people were able to acquire this amount of gold through in-game means.
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Not that the amount is not unobtainable but the problem is plenty of people are lazy. They will not take the time that is required or might not have the time to make the gold the legit way. So they get gold though rather shady means and this is when you can get into a gray area with GDKP runs. If you receive gold in these runs that comes from these shady gold sources that can be a problem. More so if it happens a few times, Why more and more Would advise to avoid these type of runs.
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hello, what does GDKP mean? and how do we watch out for this stuff if we pug raids or M+?? how are we meant to know ?
Im scared now , i have pugged many raids and M+ . I have no clue about this stuff
GDKP basically means you trade gold for loot or get gold for helping others get loot type raids.
If no one is begging (read: Selling you loot for gold) in raids, mythics or otherwise you’re 100% in the clear.
It used to be an niche loot divvy option in the past, next to MS> OS, RCouncil, highest/lowest rolls wins etc but nowadays it feels highly corrupted with how it is going.
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Gold Dragon Kill Points
basically pay for a run to get gear, usually managed by a guild, then the members get gold passed down to them.
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ok how do we know if they do that if we just pug a raid? and if we ask before raiding seems sus and shady to ask lol also what if they just lie and say no? like i think they would?
If someone offered to buy loot that dropped with gold is that ok? is that a diff story if its not the person that won it? just trying to understand here its very confusing and i had no clue about this stuff
I always wodered about that but never asked.
It’s also I believe really only common in Classic WoW. I don’t think Ive seen it in retail. Buying boost/carries in retail is a little different.
Oh its common in retail just not classic depends on realm.
GDKP is a way that people did end game content during BC and Wrath, both when it was retail and now in Classic. The basic premise is that when loot drops, players bid gold for it. Highest bid wins. When the entire raid night is over, all the gold gained is split amongst the players who didn’t buy loot, as a way to compensate them for their time.
If you pug raids, the Raid Leader will generally be pretty clear that it’s a GDKP run. I’m not sure if it’s done in M+, but same thing. Generally, you will know if it’s that type of run, as the RL will advertise it as a way of getting people to join.
There’s no reason to be scared. Again, you will know when it’s a GDKP run, and you aren’t ever going to be forced to run one. Blizzard’s advice is to avoid them altogether when it’s players you don’t know, and to be extra cautious if you do know them.
Truly, it’s always been corrupted. That’s really the overarching issue in Classic. Players want to do the things they did back then, because they know the loopholes.
Back when Wrath was retail, players got caught up in stolen gold all the time. But Blizzard was generally lenient when they investigated and found that players didn’t actually buy the gold, but simply was traded it for a “legitimate” run.
Today, it seems they are no longer being lenient, because they are trying everything they can to stop gold buying/selling.
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Much like the joke about vegans: don’t worry, they’ll tell you. GDKP runs are not kept secret, because again, there’s a subset of players who try to earn gold by running them.
It is NEVER sus or shady to ask questions beforehand. It’s also NEVER sus or shady to be suspicious of the answers and decide to not participate. That’s the self-control that a lot of players are struggling with.
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How does it work without master loot? I guess everyone could trade their personal loot but it would be so much harder to enforce I feel like. I didn’t realize it was a thing in retail though, I’ve only ever seen drama over it with the classic servers!
thanks for the replys, i will try be careful but im still bit confused over it, because what if they dont tell you its GDKP run? since its bannable? sorry still lost
i have pugged many raids and M+ as stated and never seen anything about GDKP runs or told they were them, so this is all new
You’ll know it’s a gdkp because you will either be spending large sums of gold to buy an item, or receiving a large sum of gold for carrying the group. If no gold changes hands with you, you should be fine.
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Its not bannable just not supported. Its like multiboxing while its allowed you just have to be careful howyou use it or where the gold comes from.
Just say no…
The people who are selling gold for real life money… Are going to ruin the game for everyone.
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GDKPs are not against the rules.
If Blizzard is banning people for participation, since some in those runs may have bought gold, then they shold just shut down the servers.
People that buy gold are also buying items on the AH. So that person that auctioned an item, has now received illict gold.
You as a player, are not responsible, nor can you control what other players do.
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You’re certainly welcome to your opinion.
However, you’ll discover the only place it matters is between your ears.
Blizzard has decided otherwise. Receiving illicit gold is actionable. Period.
If you want to express your opinion someplace it might reach the attention of the people who make these decisions, post in an appropriate (non-Support) forum or use the in-game suggestion feature.
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