I'm just going to say it. Mythic+ is and at its core, fundamentally a mistake, and anti WoW

I’ve never understood the mentality of “I don’t like it so it should not exist.” Don’t like it don’t do it. Siren Island has nothing of interest to me so I’m not doing it but I’m happy others are enjoying it.

If Blizz makes something mandatory, let’s say zoomy Goblin stuff in the next full patch, I’ll ignore it and either do something else or vote with my money somewhere else. Others are going to love it and good for them, I’m happy it is there for them.

Blizz has been doing a good job of making the game available for many different kinds of interests and I think that’s great. Some benefit me and some I can ignore while other players love them. It all works as a whole. Yes there are specifics that I don’t like, such as MM losing their pets but I was never a great hunter player and now I just won’t play hunters. Problem solved, at least for me. For those who are emotionally invested with pets they’ve had for years, yeah that’s tough and it would be nice for Blizz to accommodate them, perhaps the “eagle” weirdness can be cosmetically transferred to a player designated pet?

In short, allow that there are people who play the game very differently than any one of us do and that’s a great thing as it keeps the game populated and subscription money flowing in to fund more things.

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Rather, I don’t like something, I don’t want it to impact me.

Imagine if unlocking a dungeon or raid required people to win in PVP or pet battles to drive up time played metrics.

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No no no no no no no no no no.

You’ve got that backwards.

The player mentality is different.

Its very important for some people that everyone else has to play like them.

This can be attributed to a variety of things. Someone wants to feel special with BIS rewards, but cant do harder content. Instead of playing better, they prefer everyone else lose access to the content they were doing.

This forums full of mentally ill people with 10 billion posts im done engaging them.

Ignored btw.

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People can still do that. Finishing your gearing for the season doesn’t mean hitting 638.625.

Gonna mark that down as a yes.

Then please go away.

If you cant participate in a conversation without falling back on insults because someone asked you to expand on a point, you arent here doing anything special.

Now just to recap.

I am being ignored because I asked you to expand on how delves are irrelevant, specifically for people that AOTC raid and do not like m+.

The problem with M+ is that they’ve designed the entire game’s gearing around it, at least on the high end.

Find me a Cutting Edge Mythic raiding team where nobody does M+.

We’ll be here for 50 years while you look in vain for one. (There aren’t any.)

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Maybe, I stopped playing it awhile back. I just recently read about their “new” raid difficulty system and how it increases the number of drops. Maybe it starts out so low that it’s still slow even with the increase. :man_shrugging:

I still wouldn’t want to go back to SoD because all it has is raiding and while SoD did have a lot of pug raids they’re manually formed chat spam raids I didn’t enjoy waiting around trying to get into.

The concept of more loot for higher difficulty rather than better loot after a certain point could be a good fit for retail though.

I’d greatly prefer raid loot get another pass. Crests and drops.

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More people playing those than M+

You can enjoy what you like.

Could make full clear raid give like 300 crests or something.

Like, it doesn’t have to be that slanted. Then at least, it’s more equitable.

Raiding has so many problems, these days, and Ion just ignores all of it because Max kisses his behind on twitter, which is all Ion cares about.

The forums just sucks.

See how Blizzard is trying to make ground traversal engaging in 11.1 and that’s met with criticism before it has even taken off. And I’m a pro-flight crowd

If this was a popular change, then I would not do those dungeons and raids. If that killed the game for me then I’ll look for a new one. I’d like to think if this was a very unpopular change Blizz would walk it back.

I will not let someone else decide my happiness. If I’m unhappy I’ll do something else. I may be sad to lose nearly two decades of memories and head canon but sooner or later that’s going to happy anyway, unless the game outlives me. I’m over 70 so that isn’t too far fetched. LOL.

I sincerely have no idea what the thought process was on the crest buff in M+. Raiding can’t even keep up with crest cap before Silken Court, it’s absurd.

More people play m+ than fish in Classic.

Checkmate.

I can do useless comparisons too.

Sure. Doesnt change that I hope it still happens.

That one definitely threw me for a loop with no raid equivalent.

How so very dare you.

crest buff in m+ kinda makes sense if you just look at m+ and try to solve a problem.

People clustering at lower difficulties because higher ones are not rewarding enough.

But the change, doesn’t do much imo.