I'm done with WoW due to impatient pug players

Tassidam-thrall · November 21, 2024, 8:58pm

The timer just makes the consequences bigger, or more obvious. But the game was not specifically designed to be slow, or fast, dungeons were just there and Blizz let people run them as they see fit. But just like any game, people naturally enjoy trying to get better and more efficient, this means reduce the amount of mistake, go faster, be better. The M+ system just anchors itself on those principles, for people who enjoyed that. The system didn’t introduce anything that didn’t naturally exist before, trying to go fast is not new at all.

Chadsteal-malganis · November 21, 2024, 8:59pm

Some time with a mental health professional would probably help you out. While you may feel like the only person to ever get bullied or picked last you arent and honestly realizing you are less of a victim than you think could probably really help you out in day to day life. Its sometimes hard to figure that out on your own so see a professional.

Dracarian-medivh · November 21, 2024, 8:59pm

This is the harshest truth of them all. While there have always been jerks in this game, I feel like it is 100x worse now than it was back in TBC. Now we have League of Legend and CoD players flooding in and bringing their FPS behaviors with them. I don’t care if you @ me. LoL players are toxic and anyone who disagrees is probably one of them.

There was a time when we actually talked to each other, helped one another. Like if you needed one more person at a Summoning Stone (before they became meeting stones) you could invite that person, they would help you summon some help, and then drop group. Nothing in it for them but to be helpful.

I wish you well OP!

Spiller-tichondrius · November 21, 2024, 9:00pm

Yup…pretty much spot on.

Tassidam-thrall · November 21, 2024, 9:02pm

It’s definitely gotten more toxic because now the real problem is rewards are tied to a timer and things are taken away. If rewards were more flexible on the timer and more forgiving that would be less problematic. Back then running more dungeons per day meant more rewards over time, today you cap all your rewards in one day because of gating so the idea of just running more dungeons per day doesn’t matter anymore, so just going faster to do more is less impactful, so we run faster to get more rewards per run, probably not a good idea in the long run.

Spiller-tichondrius · November 21, 2024, 9:02pm

Yea exactly…so…it’s a race now as before it never was. You are kinda agreeing with me here.

Rigatoní-area-52 · November 21, 2024, 9:03pm

i didnt read it either, what is op talking about

Ameerkat-dalaran · November 21, 2024, 9:08pm

As do I, along with a few other “conditions”. I get it and I feel for you.

I mostly do solo stuff, and some LFR/LFG out of avoidance of others. Most of my experiences w/ other players have not been unpleasant. If I’m in a group I just go with the flow. This is where I find my balance.

However I’ve been known to on occasion go full nuclear on some person that will treat another player like dirt in LFR or w/e.

Spiller-tichondrius · November 21, 2024, 9:09pm

It’s 4 o’clock…I just opened a beer and my pool table is lonely. If you are reading these op…I truly wish you well. Honestly something about your post just sort of hits home. I feel bad that a videogame can make people feel this way. It’s a shame it really is. Truly…it’s not a big deal. Life has a lot of stuff in it …you’ll be good…

Liolang-daggerspine · November 21, 2024, 9:39pm

Which makes it a great thing we can gear in delves now…though I dont see why the same can apply to follower dungeons as much.

Players want to act like juveniles, We can run instanced content without them now…and listen to them whine when the queue times are quadrupled because everyone is tired of pug players.

Liolang-daggerspine · November 21, 2024, 9:41pm

Doness-kargath · November 21, 2024, 9:42pm

Someone’s being vulnerable about their mental health problems and WoW players want their gold lmao.

anon38792737 · November 21, 2024, 9:44pm

Not surprised at all.

Stonessan-fizzcrank · November 21, 2024, 9:54pm

I haven’t been in a PUG since 2007 when someone left us due to they didn’t like how the healer was healing…I’ve been solo ever since and I don’t do Guilds either…

Danora-moon-guard · November 21, 2024, 10:53pm

I decided a long time ago I did not want to be in a hurry, or stressed, or upset while playing WoW. If a situation seems to trigger these emotions, I stop and think whether it’s worth it to me. The game can be played in many ways, and it can be very relaxing.

I understand it triggered a deep and old pain, those are the hardest. And maybe it’s better to leave, play something more calm and uplifting with friends. If you do decide to continue, or return later, I’d suggest to hunt down a good guild or community with likeminded people.

Much peace and happiness.

Liolang-daggerspine · November 21, 2024, 10:59pm

Theres a video I saw a year or so ago.
A body in the street. Dont know where. dont know if its a dead body or not.
Some guy comes up and searchs the victims pockets for crap to steal.
Thats humanity for you these days.

Liolang-daggerspine · November 21, 2024, 11:01pm

Exactly what i did.
anything that irritates me gets dropped immediately.

Id rather farm ghost iron ore for 3 hours than touch M+.

Servo-skywall · November 21, 2024, 11:41pm

takes a sip of oil tea<
Imma just kick back in this Delve and enjoy having no drama.

Dojacàt-moon-guard · November 21, 2024, 11:42pm

Varicarie:

Okay. So where do I start? Why am I writing this? Who cares if some rando decides to leave the game? I’m not really writing this for others its more for myself so that I can find some closure with my experience with pug players on WoW and group practices that finally set off some triggers in me personally. If someone reads this and can take away something from it, then it’s a bonus. I’ll try to keep this short.

Quick background summary - I suffer from borderline personality disorder. It’s summarized as a fear of abandonment. When I was a kid I was a bully victim in a time where there were no resources or support. I would get ejected from games and sports (basketball) because the kids there were overly competitive. Leaving me alone, outcasted, and some cases harrassed (because I wasn’t that great). Even with practice, I would be picked last and have no chance to prove myself. My mother was emotionally unavailable and supervising adults didn’t do much. As a result I withdrew from social circles until I started finding human connections through gaming. It stuck with me throughout my life. Yes. I am going to therapy and it’s done wonders.

So what does that have to do with me giving up WoW? I’m getting there. As I have said, gaming has allowed me to make connections. WoW was a major one, then life happened. I graduated college and got married. Slowly lost of my friendships over the course of 10 years until I got a divorce. Finding myself alone I was able to find connections with a gaming community who have been very supportive. We all decided to pick up WoW and I’m the only one still playing. Why? I was enjoying the leveling experience and wanted to see what end-game had in store.

That was until I saw heroic pugs. Not Raid LFG or normal. See people in LFG and normal are actually not bad. They are kind and we can goof around a bit. But then heroics is a completely different type of people. These players in my experiences have 0 tolerance for even the smallest misteps. Perfect example was last night when I pugged Silkran on heroic. I was top 5 in dps meter and I failed to do the slice mechanic because my screen is lit with a million pixels worth of color. I’ve done this fight multiple times. I know what to do, but that was just a fail on my end. I typed “my b” in chat and kept going. Suddenly I noticed I wasn’t getting any more healing so I topped my self off with a potion and defensive CDs. Until I died. We didn’t wipe mind you. We still beat the fight with flying colors. I just looked at where my raid grid would be and saw its gone. Checked chat and it said I “left” the group. Cool. 0 tolerance and 0 grace given for a small mistake.

This wouldn’t be the first time I would get kick for “poor performance”. Most of the time I get kicked from a group when we get to The Silken Court. Didn’t even get a fight in. The group just parks and since I wasn’t on the top 5 I get booted. Which I understand, if they wanna clear they clear and I needed more time to get at that level. On the flip side I have devoted an hour of my time and commitment into a raid that I will not see the end of nor a chance at rewards. 1 or 2 boots isn’t a big deal, but in my case I have not yet seen heroic Queen or Silkren Court because of this practice. My experience here isn’t one where I’m not trying, but rather the opportunity to try is being taken away. Can I just go back to the premade group finder and join a group at those checkpoints? I’ve tried. I just get declined. See a pattern here?

What was once a place in my life I could find some measure of belonging has become the same place as my childhood. Going into end-game I understood the community is “toxic”, but I wasn’t prepared how bad it actually was. I was actually triggered by that last night. I had to leave the game and sort myself out emotionally. It was the straw the broke the camels back.

Wow players become so brutally cold and calculated that they treat each other with callace. I saw one wipe on Uvonax and chat started going wild screaming at each other in playing the blame game. It was so demoralizing that we performed far worse the second time around. No player should have to be exposed to such a high-level of scrutiny. It’s just a game after all. I deal with this enough at work.

So after my mini-meltdown I took a long look at my relationship with this game and I simply asked myself, “am I having fun?” The answer was “no” by the way. So I’m canceling my subscription, taking a couple days away from gaming, and maybe return to a different game with my friends.

As I said, I’m no one important. I didn’t write this for validation - just to vent and get some closure. I’ve put a lot of time and effort in my short period playing this game. So I’m writing this on the forum simply so that I move on. I’ve played many MMOs, but this community is by far the worst. Which is sad to say because I’ve had the pleaure of meeting some really nice players and having great interactions with them. It’s just become too much and my only regret would be that I could get all the BiS or see Mythic level. But I know that I would be far happier putting in my time and effort with a community that also gives back in the form of fun vibes, and great memories.

So if you made this far thanks for reading. It means a lot, truly. To the players in this community I did have fun with; you guys were great. To those who take a cold anominity approach to raids - have a bit more grace and remember that you are interacting with a person on the other side of your screen. Smooth perfect runs are a dime a dozen. It’s far better for everyone to just chill and have fun along the way. Just remember that BiS that you are chasing after and mistreating people for will be outdated in a couple of months, but you will be remembered for the way you make people feel rather than how high up the ladder you climbed.

I wish you all the best of luck.

P.S. I will not be responding to this post. I’ll probably leave it up for the next couple of days before deleting.

Okay.

Torgmir-emerald-dream · November 22, 2024, 2:24pm

Hello! I can completely understand your frustration. I run a guild that is built around avoiding this kind of toxicity by doing a lot of guild grouping. Unfortunately I see you are not a dwarf which is also part of our requirements. However, I still would like to provide you with a link to our guild recruitment post for if you decide to play a dwarf or earthen character.

Best of luck,
King Torgmir Ironbreaker.