Used to pvp a lot back in WoD and legion. Haven’t pvpd much this xpac, thinking of getting back into it after spending most of the xpac raiding. My current stats are:
Sub rogue
ilevel 220
crit 23%
vers 11%
haste 15%
mast 57%
I’m rocking raid and m+ pieces with the exception of the 2 pvp trinkets (197 ilevel). My weapons are 226/223 ilevel raid daggers, the 226 is the dagger from plaguefall that doesn’t have vers, I could switch it out to a 200 ilevel conquest dagger but I would lose a lot of agi and stam, for a 1% increase in vers.
I’ve been reading that 20% vers is the minimum to do rated rbg and arena, and everyone is asking for 20% vers minimum. I can get to that if I spend my honor (I have about 10k) on honor pieces and upgrade them to 197. I can buy a 2nd 200 ilevel conquest dagger with the conquest I have. It would drop my ilevel down to about 205-210 but I would get over the 20% vers.
At what point would a higher ilevel item that doesn’t have vers in it, become better for pvp than a lower ilevel item that has vers in it? Eg is a 226 ilevel Domina’s Oozing Shiv (41 agi, 75 stam, 45 crit, 26 mast) better than a 200 Sinful Glad Knife (32 agi, 54 stam, 20 crit, 41 vers)? Should I be discarding any raid gear that doesn’t have vers, even if it is 20+ ilevel higher than the honor item with vers?
Up until maybe 220, I’d take raw ilevel and secondaries over verse. It’s just more damage overall. As a rogue, I feel like verse is less important unless you’re only playing arena.
It will be a trade off. By stacking Versatility, you are giving up HP but mitigating some of the damage. I suggest running a few randoms with each gear set to see how they fell. Probably nothing noticeable.
If you have enough renown, go ahead and grab some the conquest gear. It’s 200 ilvl.
If you you do get the PvP gear, get the pieces with vers/mast followed by vers/crit. Haste isn’t that important for Subtlety.
Any rules of thumb on how much ilevel is worth losing for it? Like 10+ ilevel or more?
I could get to 20% vers by equipping my 197 honor gear instead of some of the 220 m+ and raid gear, but I would drop down to about 203 ilevel and my health pool would drop from 38k to about 32k. Would this still be better than going in at 220 ilevel with what i have now (10% vers).
No rule of thumb because it depends on what secondary stats you are giving up. IE: If that secondary stat has almost no weight, then the ilv trade off is larger.
The weights are different for every spec as well so I just can’t say X ilv.
Generally speaking, versatility is good against steady sustained damage but health is better against burst. It’s your health that can keep you from getting insta-gibbed by overtuned abilities.
Versatility also has higher value in prolonged team fights with healers but for someone who is running without a healer, health is king (IMO).
As a rogue doing solo stuff? I’d go more for health and damage. As a rogue with a healer it would probably depend on what I was fighting. Health is what can save you from huge burst while your healer is CCd and you are stunned.
Personally, I wouldn’t sacrifice main stats, weapon dmg and health for versatility on a rogue which already has some get out of jail free cards.
Ok thanks, That’s probably what I will do to start, rather than drop down to 203 Ilevel with a 32k health pool. I can replace some of the lower PVE pieces with conquest pieces and upgrade them as I get eligible.
I think Oozo has it right for where you are at the moment. As a sub rogue, you’re generally a hit and run specialist and aren’t going to want to be face tanking damage for a while. The higher HP will be better for the short times you’re taking damage since you have very powerful cooldowns to avoid damage otherwise. Ultimately, yes you want the highest ilvl with the most vers possible. But for where you are right now, i’d take the higher health and weapon damage over pursuing vers(for now).
I wouldn’t change your weapons and wouldn’t consider dropping much ilvl unless youre going from a crit/haste piece to a vers/mastery piece, and even then I wouldn’t drop more than 6 or 7. Agility and MH weapon dps are still your best stats.
