Solution. Join a guild and make friends.
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GDKPs drive a share of RMT by their existence. Banning bots and gold buyers has a lag time, and by the time that it happens; the gold becomes clean through its distribution in a GDKP and the damage is already done. Since the gold buyer still made money, they just make another set of accounts.
As such, the alternative to a straight ban of GDKP is to put the onus of responsibility on the people running GDKPs to ensure that their members are not RMTing. Therefore, any GDKP caught (after the aforementioned lag time) receiving gold from a member that was RMTing has all of their members banned for a few weeks and all gold stripped from their account; while the gold buyer gets perma-banned. This will cause the GDKP runners to set up verification checks against the potential buyers in order to prevent this action, and will allow the GDKP format to still exist to handle the situations as described in the OP.
The reason you cannot apply this to the AH, is due to the fact that you have zero control over who buys your items unlike a GDKP where all members are selected. This has absolutely nothing to do with innocence.
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This is ridiculous. So if you sell a BoE to someone in trade chat the onus is on you to make sure they arenât using RMT? Tell me how on earth youâre going to conduct such an investigation. You canât know. Same in GDKP. Itâs literally the same thing.
This post is more contradictory than the bibble
Should be pretty easy to make some solid points then. Except you havenât.
No, itâs not ridiculous. How many vetting factors do people use all the time for invites to raid? There is literally an entire 3rd party organization for tracking combat statistics for raids. You think one could not be created for gold spent/earned in GDKPs in order to make sure each and every participant is only using an amount of gold that is reasonable for them to have?
And has someone who has repeatedly commented logical fallacies in other peopleâs arguments and then you commit:
Strawman - by taking my argument about the AH versus GDKP to trade chat. (which btw trade chat would be closer to the AH than a GDKP in regards to the content of your original post)
Dico Simplicter - by stating that you canât know (and putting what appears to be no mental effort in thinking how to vet members)
Kettle Logic - Though not in the post I am replying to, but throughout this entire thread.
Also I would ask that you refute in full to the other components of my post, unless of course you are agreeing to the premise posted before the clarification, to which you have replied.
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So if you sell a BoE to someone in trade chat the onus is on you to make sure they arenât using RMT?
you literally quoted him saying the exact opposite of that⊠are you ok man?
obviously the same logic applies to selling an item in trade chat, you have no idea or control over where the person who buys your items gold comes from.
it is fundamentally different from a gdkp you are attending in order to receive a payout you know is likely to contain at least some RMTâd gold (probably a lot of RMTâd gold).
A third party organization to track gold spent/earned. You canât be serious. LMAO what? Tell me how you could possibly know. How would you get even 1 data point about where someoneâs gold came from without internal blizzard logs.
The trade chat argument was because you claimed the issue was you have no control over who buys it on the AH. Well you do in trade chat. So what, you need to conduct an investigation before you sell in trade chat otherwise youâre guilty like GDKPers?
Lol, what? So in trade chat you can sell a BoE for astronomical prices and you have no idea or control over where that money comes from. But in a GDKP. Yep, you know, and are guilty. Okay mate.
What other loot system gives you a distinct advantage over others by swiping as per the rules of the loot system itself?
Iâm not advocating for swiping and I donât swipe. Go after swiping.
You dont seem to advocate for replying to what people actually say, either.
Try again, stay on topic, and answer the question please.
I am on topic, Iâm saying go after swiping. We agree that it isnât good for the game. And if you read my OP and openly acknowledge GDKP has downsides.
Your a known troll poster, and admitted as much in this very thread.
Answer the question please.
Anyone can look at my activity in this thread to confirm that youâre just blatantly lying now. How about you answer the question?
So in trade chat you can sell a BoE for astronomical prices and you have no idea or control over where that money comes from.
yes?
you can sell an item for whatever price you want to in trade, someone else has to be willing to buy it. what does that have to do with anything though?
the buyer will still just be some random person who responds to you posting you wts x in trade chat, you have no control over or knowledge of where or how they got that gold.
in a GDKP you are choosing to engage in an activity that is well known to promote RMT, and you know your payout will almost certainly include some amount of RMTâd gold.
you are being willfully dense, as you have been for the past 3 days youâve been in here frantically posting in defense of your easy/risk free rmt payouts.
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Lol, nice cutting off my quote right before the actual point
to address the other half even more directly then, yes.
you know and are guilty
So will your trade chat sale