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I wouldn’t be able to if I shared your beliefs, no. But this is incredibly fallacious, because I’m not the one taking the inconsistent position.

Unlike you, I’m consistent in my beliefs. Whereas you want to arbitrarily furiously cancel some but not others, turning a blind eye to Microsoft’s sexual predation and oppression and pretending it just doesn’t happen (and you do realize it happens, you react with only a fraction of the outrage, if any at all), primarily depending on how convenient it is for you, I’m not like that.

I’ll go see a Matt Damon movie. I don’t like the guy, but I’ll go see one, and I’ll admit he’s a good actor. I can separate art from the person. I can separate a product from a person.

I’m not a global warming nut, so it doesn’t really matter to me that I cancel my electricity at my home, because I don’t claim to be against it. I also realize that killing our economy to try to save the world, while the world massively overpopulates and continues to use fossil fuels at increasing rates as a result is simply an unfeasible dream.

You care about saving the world? Learn to sacrifice. You don’t get to be like Hank Johnson and say the public shouldn’t have the right to defend themselves with weapons while having numerous full time security personnel. You don’t get to beat your wife and children then go out and campaign against abuse.

There’s nothing flawed about what I’m saying, it’s entirely consistent. What is slimy and flawed is to pretend you care about something so much that it becomes your greatest purpose in life, then to put your fingers in your ears and pretend to not see it and do nothing about it when it’s inconvenient for you. I guarantee if you were outraged enough over the things you pretend that you can’t give up, if a video were to come out from 2003 of Bill Gates violently raping a female employee at Microsoft, you would be getting rid of your computer and never use Windows again. You act entirely on emotion, what is sensationalized, and fury in the moment. Everything else, you can live with. Until you’ve been riled up to the point you can’t. It’s not about what’s actually happening, its about how much the media, an activism group, or a politician can emotionally ignite you over one issue.

I live what I preach. You guys don’t.

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actually i’m a freegan vegan. i only eat vegetables that have been thrown out in other people’s dumpsters

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You’re sitting there lecturing us about what YOU think needs to be consistent, and then you are saying, “Well I don’t care about global warming so I don’t need to cut out my electric.” So if it matters to you, then we should be consistent. But if it doesn’t matter to you, we shouldn’t worry about it.

Please tell me you see how that is hypocritical.

I don’t support Disney or Netflix either. So I’m not sure how I’m being inconsistent in the first place. Those are both in the same realm as WoW, as they are subscription-based entertainment resources. You’re making wild assumptions about us when all we’re saying is that we don’t want to put our money into Blizzard.

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You’ve missed the point entirely - despite the length of your post. The point here is that some people will act on principle - and everybody has a line and it’s gray but once it’s crossed, it’s crossed.

I’m not telling anybody to do anything - I’m merely pointing out that to do nothing about this evil because other evils exist is a cheap manipulation designed to create inertia.

People can take a position on this and it doesn’t make them a hypocrite.

Also, the tree bark thing was just an allegory more than anything - I thought it would have been obvious - I guess not.

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You really think linking truth to these people will change their minds? You linked to the very story you were telling them about, and thayll still have an excuse.

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Hey, man, if their workplace is that bad, I’m totally cool with them hiring Americans with American work environment standards. I don’t buy iPhones, I don’t care if the cost triples. Maybe then they’ll have to rethink their business practices.

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I told her even after linking what you demanded, you wouldn’t change your stance. I tried…

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This is like the tenth thread like this I’ve seen. They’re just as annoying as the “i’m leaving posts”

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I’m not sure what you mean. Was I supposed to stop buying iPhones that I don’t buy?

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And you’ve missed my point entirely. It’s that you’re acting on nothing rational, mere emotion, and are being led by whoever can incite you most recently.

I’m not telling you that you have to do anything, either. You’re a free person and can do what you want. I am, however, saying that don’t expect anyone to take you seriously, or respect you or your beliefs if you yourself can not act according to them. People act inconsistently and emotionally, then demand respect. That’s not how it works. This is why people make fun of the “outrage mob” or “SJWs”.

However, when people are trying to create rules for others, such as banning adult videos or guns, they had better not indulge in adult videos or have armed security. That is not only tyrannical, but also inconsistent and elitist.

You can try to reframe it all you want by only presenting your own points and ignoring mine, ala “u missed the point we’re not talking about that”, but it makes what I said in the last post no less true. In fact, you didn’t even contest it. This is all relevant. Logic and consistency are relevant. If you’re not claiming to be logical or consistent, than how on earth does what you’re saying matter?

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Why did you demand the link? I mean, you came to an iphone post. demanded she give you proof. She links what you wanted. Why demand the proof if you were just going to deflect? Its nonsensical.

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You sound like an android. Emotion is how people care about things. I don’t know if you’ve ever had depression, but I have, and apathy does not get anything done. There is no actual logic in your statement. There is a difference between being calculating and refusing to acknowledge that emotions serve a purpose.

You don’t care about global warming. I’m not going to call you a hypocrite for that.

I don’t care about keeping my subscription. You’re calling me a hypocrite for that.

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I’m actually still reading it. There is a lot of information here that I’m trying to absorb while being lambasted on the forums.

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Not really. I’m saying when you set standards for yourself and for the world, you had better live up to them. I don’t care what you do in terms of burning fossil fuels, so I’m consistent when I don’t care what I do. But when you tell me I need to burn less fuel, then continue on claiming “i live in a society it’s inconvenient for me to stop”, then you’ve set a standard you yourself can’t keep.

Are you a cheater? You can’t blame your partner when they cheat. If you’re loyal and don’t cheat, then you have a moral ground to stand on.

After all, this is all about you and your culture’s moral position. You act as if you’re noble and virtuous, and act as if you’re better than those who “don’t care about Blizzard raping people” and shame them for not quitting, yet when it happens somewhere else, like Microsoft, you don’t cancel them because it’s too hard. If cancelling because of corporate sexual abuse was really as important to you as you make it seem, perhaps you’d swap operating systems.

Don’t claim to have higher moral ground when your own foundations are flawed.

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So you didn’t bother to read the story I posted because it would contradict your confirmation bias and call me a racist. Classy. You may want to look up the definition of that word. The companies moved jobs there because it increased how much they would make by dropping the manufacturing cost signigicantly. It wasn’t for the benefit of the people of China. I guess that you have never heard of the Uyghurs or do they not matter to you because that would make your stance problematic?

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hey bud we can’t do everything. we can’t not support the CCP. that’d make life tuff.

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You are accusing me of acting “noble and virtuous” because I don’t support workplace abuse??? Is everything extremism for you? Because it sure sounds like you are an all-or-nothing personality, and there’s really no reasoning with people who can’t acknowledge the existence of gray areas. But you tell me; I don’t know you from a hole in the wall.

Canceling Microsoft isn’t “too hard.” It’s impossible. You are acting like a video game has equal importance to my entire livelihood. It does not.

Global warming is arguably of much greater importance than Microsoft, yet you care nothing for it. Don’t impose your values on me, like you’re accusing me of doing.

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I definitely wouldn’t trade an average work life in america for chinese. 9 AM to 9 PM, 6 days a week is what is supposedly considered good there. I would wager that is not an enviable lifestyle for westerners that buy this stuff. What about the materials to create those things? a lot of it is african labor I think

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This part I agree with. The hypocrite comment above it was dumb.

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Not at all. But after you’ve responded to me perhaps 6 times, each time hearing only what you want to hear, I don’t think there’s a way to frame it that will get through to you.

P.S. Cancelling Microsoft isn’t impossible. I know many who have done it. But if you’re not willing to sacrifice for what you actually believe in, perhaps you don’t believe in it as much as you think you do. Workplace sexual abuse or your desire to play video games that require Windows 10 and have a state-of-the-art PC… The choice is yours. And your actions have made your values clear. I don’t know if I’ve ever seriously used the terms seriously before, but this is a ripe example of “privilege” and “virtue signaling”. Pat yourself on the back for quitting WoW, though. Good job bud.