Its highly doubtful they’ll make a classic wow version of every expansion as they would just split the playerbase into very small pieces as well as the costs needed to devote teams to these kinds of things. I also don’t think they’ll turn any future expansions into a vanilla like expansion. They are however, trying to bring back some old abandoned ideas like totems being more integral to shamans playstyle, auras for paladins, or poisons for rogues so to say they aren’t incorporating some ideas from classic isn’t exactly true.
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Because for YEARS we’ve been dealing with folks who are constantly arguing for classic because X or Y feature that they hate in retail wouldn’t be there, and we’ve had people for years trying to get features like LFR and LFD removed, or the old, bland talent trees back that offered the illusion of choice, but in reality only cookie cutter builds.
Now that classic WoW exists, some of us are more than happy to point to it and tell those people “Hey, you don’t want these features? Go to classic, they’re not present in that version of the game.”
Because now they have the option to play a version of the game without the things they hate, meaning they hopefully won’t keep trying to ruin the game the rest of us happen to like the way it is.
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Yes I’m one of those people. Well except for asking for classic. I never asked for classic servers. I actually didn’t even think I’d like classic. I just didn’t like the direction of the game and argued against it. And even though Classic is out, it’s no argument to tell us to just go play classic, and it certainly doesn’t give us any pause.
Which comes off more as a “Bring back older elements that made the game satisfying and for people that want an incredibly hollow game give them their own server.” Rather than your presumption of “OH LET’S HIJACK RETAIL TO BE A CARBON COPY OF VANILLA AND FORCE THE CURRENT RESIDENTS ONTO THEIR OWN SERVER!”
Oh here we go. “Oh you didn’t get the same reading as my hyperbolic reading?! Well you clearly are being ignorant on purpose or too stupid to get what he said.”
Gotta love seeing this when it crops up. Saying “be more like Classic” is not directly indicative of a carbon copy. That’s where the reading I got of “He’s suggesting take pointers on certain elements” came from, something you very clearly overlooked, or chose to ignore.
If he had said “LET’S MAKE RETAIL THE EXACT SAME AS CLASSIC!” then I’d understand your hyperbolic and quite frankly, kneejerk reaction to the post but that isn’t the case.
Well given you’ve been reading his posts then the above interpretation you got should be even more evident this isn’t the case.
Literally all of his posts read off as “We should look at borrowing certain design philosophies from the old game to make the current game better.”
He even straight up says “This is about finding new models for the future because the current model just isn’t working.”
Whether you agree or not with the BFA model is up to you and frankly I don’t care because there is a good argument to be made about the current direction of the game and that we need to evaluate it at some point rather than let the trend just blindly continue.
It’s very clear he’s talking about trying to take design philosophies that made the game more appealing that have been axed in an effort to make modern WoW a more successful game. Frankly I disagree with this because I want to just let retail players have what they have. To me I view the modern design philosophies as rotting the game out over time and this is a very slowly sinking ship, but I realize some people feel that WoW is the best it has ever been. I’d rather not personally drive them away to sate myself when I have precisely what I’ve wanted.
But again, retail definitely needs to evaluate the design choices they’ve been making because at large, the game just does not seem to be working as well as it used to under different ideas. Would those same ideas work in the modern game? Probably not, boiled frog and all where if you just drastically change how the game works people will not be happy if they do not find it satisfactory.
However trying to find a good middle ground between the two design philosophies might not be a bad place to start. Like I said, I’m not advocating for any of this, just speaking objectively. As long as people are happy with the current game that it is benefitting Blizzard then there really shouldn’t be any incentive to change. That isn’t to say I don’t believe there are potential benefits towards trying to find the middle ground though. Though do I want them to radically redesign the game? No I do not. Let the people who like this have their own version.
It is, when you have the option to play the game you want available.
We can keep arguing about certain features till we’re blue in the face (as much as we already do to begin with), but again, your preferred game exists just a couple of clicks away, so why isn’t that a valid response?
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All his posts are. He was going off on how there should be no prestige content too.
If it is in response to a statement that the game was better 15 years ago, I don’t see how it is nonsense.
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Um. Wot?
I understand when people are posting in the heat of the moment and in their rush to respond quickly they communicate ineffectively.
But you started a thread with that?
You had all the time in the world and that’s the best you could come up with?
Eesh.
You insist it’s a valid argument, but when I use it against you you say it’s not a valid argument. See my first paragraph in the OP and tell me how okay you’d be with that.
I could tell you to go play the BfA server and let retail go the direction I want.
Except you can’t, because there is no BfA server, there never will be a BfA server, and no one is fighting for BfA servers. We are happy with the current direction of the game. You apparently are not, which is fine, except there is an easy solution because you do in fact have a game you can go to.
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Now if we’re talking about a hard mode server sure! Would be good to get away from bumper bowling
Personally I prefer to do heroic raiding, random BGs, WPVP among other things. And my mythic plus game tends to cap around the +10 area.
However I’m also aware that I play in a world with mythic raiding, +15 mythics, and rated PvP. I know that hard content exists and while I might not pursue it, I know plenty of others like that sort of hardcore challenge.
Why do we need a hardmode server when we already have that stuff?
K… but if they release BC servers… I’m pretty sure I’m going to quit retail.
For good players to congregate while the baddies can worry about transmog and losing av because of horde bias?
I’d like to see the full game put back to some level of challenge, not just instanced content being used as a segregation tool.
So you think retail should be changed to a game where people need lots of gold but have very few sources; auto-attacks are king, and most specs stand around with their thumbs up their you know what and wait while auto-attacking; there is only one flight point in a zone, which may be nowhere near the only graveyard; no one flies so everyone has to ride to that flight point; everybody sits and drinks between every pull, whether doing questing, grinding mobs for your daily silver, or in an instance; people spam trade chat hoping to put together a group; the sole purpose of dungeons is to gear up, so after the tanks are geared up you will have no tank and your group will never form; where professions are mostly pointless after leveling; where the economy is so depressed hardly anyone buys anything…
Yeah, that’ll go over big.
Inb4 AU continuation of Classic.
I joke but I kind of want to see it.
Sounds like you want segregation as it is, why should it matter that it comes in the form of an instance?
Nah, just go to classic b00mer
If you’re not happy with classic, please stop trying to bring your misery to retail. Yeah, we don’t want to play a 15 year old version of the game either, that’s why we’re not trying to turn the current game back into it.
I’m always in favor of changes to the game that move it forward and make it better. But when people advocate for removing features from retail or making other significant changes to make it more like classic, things that made us choose not to play classic, what else is there to say except, that’s a terrible idea, we changed it for a reason, if you really just have to play that way, well, classic’s over there.
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The only reason I like Classic WoW is for the people that subscribe just to play it, thus funneling funds to be used on retail WoW. Win-win.