I’d rather not return to the way classic was, because the way classic was sucked.
Yes, WoW classic is popular, but it is also a grindy mess that has none of the quality of life features that the retail version of WoW has, and I’d rather not see those types of features removed just so that Blizzard can waste time creating a ‘BFA Server’ for folks that want what we already have to stay around.
FYI, Sunday was a few days ago. Keep the trolling to that day.
Yeah it is gone now because they had to remove it for world bosses and the honor system, but I would gladly suffer the nightmarish launch scenario ten times over if it meant phasing wouldn’t be in from day one.
Guy picks a fight with you at level 36 in Arathi and you start killing him back in vengeance? Oh he just layered out and you likely won’t see him again. Defending from a streamer sperg raid on Orgrimmar? Oh enemy faction went onto the dead layer and layer hopped directly behind all our casters and wiped us.
Far more black lotus in the game than should have been, devilsaur prices weren’t anywhere near what they should be because you could just layer hop to circumvent the respawn timer and be farming them perpetually.
Then the other issues like layering in dungeons allowed you to effectively skip bosses and in the case of Esfand, get a free raid lockout one week and not get banned because Blizzard focuses in on “Oh well they didn’t do it deliberately, it just happened.” Even though they still took all the loot from that raid and gladly took advantage of it.
Funny thing is, Shadow is actually fine as a spec. It has the stigma because it was largely made with the idea of an 8 debuff limit. Now that we have 16 you can afford a shadow priest. The other issue is, you need to go out of your way to compete with the spec.
But this is the shadow priest in my guild:
https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/faerlina/menismyforte
Guy puts in his effort and on a lot of fights he’s actually impossible to compete with because he goes all out to make the spec compete with the pures. Some fights don’t work out in his favor, but the spec is far from garbage.
So if they make a newer WoW expansion with the model you don’t like, you won’t have any room to complain then right? You’d just play on a BfA server?
No, you wouldn’t. You’d be here just like us arguing why you don’t like the direction of the game, no matter how many BfA servers they make.
Yet that’s exactly what the classic zealots have expressed they are doing and everyone ought to do because it’s so much more fun.
Your post is convoluted.
Can sympathize with that. What’s done is done sadly though. Can only hope that things will normalize at some point.
I wish I knew how to manipulate layers like that, hehe. But at least it’s nothing to worry about anymore?
I just wasn’t confident in my ability to charm my way into groups and blow people out of the water with a stigmatized spec. It’s why I ultimately chose warlock instead. My biggest concern was to be a mindbending master of darkness, so I settled with just being a master of darkness, lols.
Who would a “Classicified Retail” game even appeal to anyway? Classic buffs aren’t going to migrate to Retail, and that system would alienate current Retail players.
He isn’t saying to make a carbon copy so much as implying they should probably take some pointers on certain elements. Also, to you it’s a mess because it has none of the QOL features you enjoy. What you’re disregarding is a lot of those inconveniences are what made Classic so enjoyable for some people.
Refer to my earlier post on the fact the modern game and classic version are designed as practically polar opposites at this point, they are on very different ends of the spectrum and players have largely different tastes and opinions. A lot of things if they brought into the modern game would kill it because the main audience of the modern game is far different than from the Classic audience.
That being said though, I think some arguments could be made in terms of scaling back how powerful you get with each gear upgrade, but I wouldn’t advocate for these personally because that isn’t what the modern WoW player enjoys about the game and they are the target audience. Just leave their game as it is.
Yep well said!
I’m not one of those people.
The point of my OP is just debunking a common argument. If different models appeal to different people, we can’t pretend that one model getting all the updates and another being in an old version is a compromise.
Add Japanese, and I’d play just about anything Blizzard throws at me and shill it.
Sure we can. Classic folks fought long and hard to get the game they wanted. They can’t just decide they don’t want that anymore and try to ruin the game that the other side currently enjoys.
Nope we should get a retail thats always going forward i love BFA but i will always want NEW expansions thats just silly how you keep telling us that.Paying 15 dollars for something that never changes or gets updated would be silly for me to do. Wow wouldn’t be my main to go game if it wasn’t for expansions i would be playing a other game as my main game instead. Love my alt games but it ain’t WoW.
It’s not just Classic folk, it’s everyone dissatisfied with the direction of the game. Just saying we’ve got Classic isn’t an argument. It’s about which models deserve future expansions. The BfA model is not one of them.
Obviously we should get new expansions. TBC was better than classic, Wrath was better still. Each brought new things to the table. Had Blizz maintained the momentum, we’d be playing an expansion better than Wrath right now. I’m not arguing against new stuff.
I might have minor gripes with some aspects of the game but I’m generally still having fun here, which is why I continue to play and subscribe. I would likely quit if they tried to turn Retail into Classic. I like having accessibility and autonomy here.
If you want a constantly updating game, Retail is here waiting for you.
He’s literally saying ‘Make a BFA server’ for folks that like the current version of retail. If that doesn’t say to you ‘make retail just like classic’ then either you’re just not understanding what he’s saying, or you’re being ignorant on purpose.
He claims it’s a ‘jest’ but the fact that he’s continuing to push the idea in later posts proves that it’s not a ‘jest’ and it’s something he’d like to see.
You said you wanted to leave retail alone in the direction it’s going. I’m saying it updated in the wrong direction and needs to update again.
Again, who would a “Classicified Retail” appeal to? Classic folks wouldn’t come over to Retail and current Retail players would be alienated.
I don’t know what “Classicfied retail” would be or what you imagine that to be. However, a retail that adopts the strengths of Classic, TBC, and Wrath could in fact be better than all 3 of those expansions. People arguing in favor of the status quo saying that we can just go to Classic are just trying to end the argument to keep that status quo.
What you might think of as strengths, I might think of as weaknesses. It’s subjective.
For instance, LFR and LFG. I like having those in the game. You might not.
Yes exactly. And we should debate those different opinions, not just say “go to classic” every time something not-retail is argued in favor of.