"If you don't like it, don't use it"

[Camenae-grobbulus]

All benefits which are available regardless of how large your party is when you join.

when you join

My whole point is, what if I don’t want to join, period?

If I always have 4 friends online, fine no problem. If I don’t?

[Ziryus-pagle]

@Camenae-grobbulus

All benefits which are available regardless of how large your party is when you join.

when you join

My whole point is, what if I don’t want to join, period?

If I always have 4 friends onl ine, fine no problem. If I don’t?

Then you aren’t in any different situation than you are now, you pug whatever you are missing.

[Camenae-grobbulus]

@Ziryus-pagle

you pug whatever you are missing.

But with LFD my ability to pug what I’m missing will be diminished. We can argue about the degree. But it will happen because presumably a large proportion of people will be using LFD that I could’ve previously pulled from for a pug.

[Ziryus-pagle]

@Camenae-grobbulus

@Ziryus-pagle

you pug whatever you are missing.

But with LFD my ability to pug what I’m missing will be diminished. We can argue about the degree. But it will happen because presumably a large proportion of people will be using LFD that I could’ve previ ously pulled from for a pug.

Actually with LFD can pug more easily, you’re getting the same people either way right?

[Corpseknife-mankrik]

hahaha classic ziryus. It is when it is except when it isnt even though it is. but it isnt hahaha

[Manuredps-benediction]

How is it diminished?

You can find people, if you can’t fill you can still que.

Not sure what the complaint is?

[Camenae-grobbulus]

Pug manually. The way people had to do before LFD.

I get that you might not see why I would possibly want to do that. But just bear with me a minute and accept the premise that I do.

Now with LFD, my ability to pug manually is diminished. Once again I understand that is not a negative to you, but it is to me.

All I’m saying is you can’t say that LFD will not affect me. There’s plenty of good arguments FOR LFD but “if you don’t like it don’t use it” is not a good one.

[Thormon-remulos]

Agreed, let others use RDF, don’t use it yourself.

Easy.

[Manuredps-benediction]

You should be rooting for dungeon finder I know as a rogue it’s hard to find a dungeon group which is probably why you’re still stuck at 60.

[Ziryus-pagle]

@Camenae-grobbulus

Pug manually. The way people had to do before LFD.

I get that you might not see why I would possibly want to do that. But just bear with me a minute and accept the premise that I do.

Now with LFD, my ability to pug manually is diminished. Once again I understand that is not a negative to you, but it is to me.

All I’m saying is you can’t say that LFD will not affect me. There’s plenty of good arguments FOR LFD bu t “if you don’t like it don’t use it” is not a good one.

But according to you those people you would otherwise get from chat are in LFD, so what does it matter, you’re getting the same people either way.

[Camenae-grobbulus]

@Manuredps-benediction

if you can’t fill you can still que.

Just bear with me a minute and accept the premise that I don’t want to queue. Not solo. Not with one other. Not with 3 others. I don’t want to queue period.

That’a why LFD being put into the game does affect me.

It’s one thing if you think that what it takes away from me DOESN’T matter. Honestly that is a fine opinion to have. Different people value different things.

It’s something else when you’re trying to tell me that it doesn’t take anything away from me if it’s there. If you don’t like it don’t use it.” That is simply not true.

[Camenae-grobbulus]

So it still comes back to me using LFD to get to those people after all.

That goes against “don’t use it.” I don’t like it. I don’t want to use it.

But here you are telling me I have to use it to still “get to those people”.

[Corpseknife-mankrik]

Im posting on my Classic Era rogue because this is the toon that I post on. Maybe when you get out of grade school you’ll learn some better insults.

Also, Im pro RDF. I want RDF. I just dont want to get RDF and then be lumped in with ‘remember all those stupid pro RDF stances on the forums?’

Being mentioned in the same breath as you could severely injure my reputation.

[Ziryus-pagle]

@Camenae-grobbulus

So it still comes back to me using LFD to get to those people after all.

That goes against “don’t use it.” I don’t like it. I don’t want to use it.

But here you are te lling me I have to use it to still “get to those people”.

No it comes to you having to choose between using LFD or using chat.

Surely the benefits of using chat to form a group out weigh LFD for the people trying to join groups right? And there should be plenty of them still looking for groups in chat right? Since the experience is so much better according to you.

[Manuredps-benediction]

You can still form a group and go to a dungeon, what is stopping you?

Sure you’re not going to have as big of a pool of players to chose from but you will have way more people to pick from than you have party space.

I don’t understand your issue?

The only benefit to RDF is the first dungeon which is the daily heroic but it’s no different than going to get the random heroic quest.

[Camenae-grobbulus]

But if less people are using chat now, because more people are using LFD, then my ability to find people using chat is less than what it was before.

Not impossible, but harder.

That’s all I’m saying. You can’t say it has no effect on me being in the game. It does lessen my ability to do something I want to do. You can reasonably argue how much it lessens it and that it’s not a big deal. But you cannot reasonably argue that it doesn’t lessen my ability to do it at all.

[Ziryus-pagle]

@Camenae-grobbulus

But if less people are using chat now, because more people are using LFD, then my ability to find people using chat is less than what it was before.

Not impossible, but harder.

That’s all I’m saying. You can’t say it has no effect on me being in the game. It does lessen my ability to do something I want to do. You can reasonably argue how much it lessens it and that it’s not a big deal. But you cannot reasonably argue that it doesn’t lessen my ability to do it at a ll.

What I can argue is that pugging someone from chat is functionally no different than pugging some from LFD.

[Camenae-grobbulus]

That really is my whole point.

“What’s the big deal?” (That you now have a lesser pool of people to draw from if you don’t ever want to touch LFD at all in order to find those people) Is actually a fine argument.

“It doesn’t even have any impact on you at all” (if you don’t like it don’t use it). Is a factually untrue argument.

I actually think LFD is a necessary feature in today’s classic wow atmosphere. My specific beef is with the “if you don’t like it don’t use it” argument.

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[Corpseknife-mankrik]

Kind of moot really since we arent getting RDF.

[Ziryus-pagle]

@Camenae-grobbulus

That really is my whole point.

“What’s the big deal?” (That you now have a lesser pool of people to draw from if you don’t ever want to touch LFD at all in order to find those people) Is actually a fine argument.

“It doesn’t even have any impact on you at all” (if you don’t like it don’t use it). Is a factually untrue argument.

I actually think LFD is a necessary feature in today’s classic wow atmosphere. My specific beef is with the “if you don’t like it don’t use it” argument.

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I get that it impacts the people who are looking for a group from trade, as for them LFD is simply a superior way to get a group.

The if you don’t like it don’t use it comes up when people say “well just pull a pocket tank/healer out of somewhere and form your own group”.

LFD does not prevent or in any way incentivize people to not group with their friends/guildies. But it does change how pugs get pulled in. In a way that is generally better for those pugs.