If by community you mean the mage boosting mafia, I say let it die.
they are hiding guild affiliations for some.
Avoids wait I know that guild name. You all camp strath on server x for about the 2 hours I am on.
Nah man…I ain’t anti-lfd since people who get fed up just pay me 250 gold for 5 runs. its the community dude!
uh huh, yeah okay. I see no conflict of interest here. Nope, not at all.
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There is no grand community you cry for. I have been here since day 1 and I know what I want. Retail sucks as does this community so shut up and stop talking nonsense about how it kills what is already dead. Rdf hurts absolutely nothing and a majority want it. Nobody wants to spam chat looking for a group or use that God forsaken bulletin board nonsense.
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You’d be the only person who seriously counted Halion as a content patch.
Last boss of the xpac!
Yep that’s pretty much how I see it too.
Truth be told I’m not even convinced there should be a Classic WoTLK. Activision are just milking the cash cow.
Aw… is someone upset that there won’t be TBC era servers since vanilla era servers ended up desolate?
Depending on how you define “anti-rdf” I wouldn’t say I am so either.
Prior to Blizzard doing anything, I had no desire nor any expectation that anything be done about RDF.
It’s only when faced with the question of “was this feature good for the game and if we removed it, would you want it back”, that I would say no to the prospect of being merciful to its return.
Between me and Blizzard, Blizzard actually took the bolder stance. In my mindset, even though I dislike the feature, I hadn’t even considered the idea of, if I were leading the WOTLKC launch, removing it.
Being “anti-rdf” to me would entail pushing to get it removed should it be a feature Blizzard had already intended to keep. The reality is that had Blizzard not done anything, I wouldn’t have had any opinion on RDF to share unless asked. That doesn’t seem very “anti-rdf” to me.
No. Tbh I think Classic should have stayed vanilla and either became classic+ with new content patches or died an honorable death.
TBCC permanent servers are imo a dumb idea. The community isn’t big enough to support them.
But that’s immaterial. We’re here now and heading to to Wrath.
Classic did stay vanilla at least partly, the era servers are there, there’s just almost noone playing them.
Not the point I was making.
I don’t think there’s a big enough player base to support 3 or 4 concurrent versions of the game. As usually rather than take the logic of it as it is you’ve chosen to believe it’s driven by some petty grievance or alterior motive I have or something…
I’m not upset about TBCC being at the end of the road. It’s the right move. It shouldn’t have permanent servers. Just because I like TBC doesn’t mean I think it should be here forever lol.
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And the next logical step in classic is wrath, which is of course why blizzard is doing it.
Well duh /10 char
Quotes from the wiki
" Critic: “I think we need to work on improving Nauru’s taxation system. The current system suffers from multiple issues that have been resolved in other places such as Tuvalu and the Marshall Islands.”
Respondent
“Well, if you don’t like it, why don’t you just leave and go somewhere you think is better?”
Critic: “Our office’s atmosphere is unsuitable for starting constructive conversations about reforms for the future of the company. A number of improvements are needed.”
Respondent
“Well, if you don’t like the corporate system, then why are you here? You should just leave!”"
Example 2 is a valid response. I didn’t like KPMG so I quit. What is the point of staying in a toxic corporate place to torture oneself? " Just leave" is the correct answer.
Example 1 is a valid critic. WE better solve the taxation problem instead of avoiding it. Taxation affects everyone in the population, there is no escape.
IMO the fallacy you quoted is very weak, requiring its context for analysing instead of a blind application. I guess that’s why it’s called ‘informal’.
However, I don’t think this informal fallacy applies here. You can certainly not use the LFD feature and form groups the normal way. LFD is an optional opt-in system. If there are enough people who don’t use the LFD feature, then you will be able to play just fine. The introduction of LFD doesn’t invalidate the /4 LFG channel usage like a blanket taxation system. IF people do use LFD more, that makes the LFG channel barren; then the LFD tool is good, and fit for its purpose.
In short, if you don’t like it don’t use it. Use your social LFG channel like in TBC
The classic World buff situation is also different from this LFD tool. IT’s kind of mandatory because of the powerful buffs. On the surface, it looks like an opt-in system, like you can come raiding with 0, 1, or 2 buffs only. But peer pressure makes it impossible to play without full buffs. The saying “don’t like it, don’t use it” does apply in classic, but the pool of the players that don’t like WB is quite small, not enough to form 40m raids around. Therefore, in essence, it doesn’t apply.
LFD, on the other hand, doesn’t suffer from peer pressure, it’s completely optional as long as there are enough people with the same mindset.
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At this rate LFR will find it’s way to Wow Classic /sigh.
Network effect. People start to use it, degrading the number of people not using it. So more people use it for “efficiency”. Eventually, as is now the case in Retail, anyone proposing not to do it is laughed at, and ignored. Network effect is real, pervasive and part of the human decision making process.
People in Retail literally group up as 5 people then use the Dungeon Finder, instead of choosing a dungeon and going there.
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conform or be cast out
im mad at you again
you made me miss neil peart all over again
im with the guy earlier that said if the feature is in or out - will give server locals a shot at my greatness trying to form a group via lfg and if no takers will queue rfd if it is in or do other stuff if not
would prefer to see it in so that those on low pop servers or off hours or low levels or anyone else that has had difficult times forming groups can get a little help
Seems like a real MMORPG to me. I’ve only been playing two days and I’ve had several short interactions with other players. More than I had the first two days I played wow.
The only way the RDF would impact your ability to form dungeon groups using the lfg channel is if the vast majority hate the lfg channel and like the RDF better. You’d have to admit you’re one of a small fringe group that just want to use the lfg channel. You’d have to admit the reason you want it out of the game is to force the vast majority of players to use the system they hate, the lfg channel.
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I loved the RDF, used it all the time. I didn’t like the raid finder tool when it was added. I never used it. I also never tried to get it removed from the game. I just didn’t use it.
How do you know that? You just pulled it out of you as. My fondest memories of wrath was finally getting to do dungeons on my dps alts like I was always able to do with my holy priest.
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