If you could change the Story from BfA .. What would you do? Tell me your story!

I personally would have an Expansion where Anduin is dethroned by the first King of Stormwind who has been sealed away by the Wrynn lineage.

King Stormwind wastes no time in bringing Tyrande, Jaina, Genn and Admiral Rogers into his plans where he nukes entire Zones in the pre-launch including Orgrimmar and Un’Goro Crater!

Sylvanas officially “retaliates” by blighting Teldrassil and blighting the Northern and Eastern Plaguelands.

In the Expansion itself he scales up his tactics wiping out Cities in the Continents we visit that the Horde never even so much set foot on due to Scorched Earth Tactics!

Jaina goes all Queen of Zeal(creating a Black Omen-esque Fortress with the purpose to consume all Mana) when her attempt to affirm her allegiance to King Stormwind fails(to the point where he bombards Dalaran sending it under the waves) due to her messing up an assassination attempt on Lorthemar amidst negotiations by purging Blood Elves from Dalaran again ending negotiations.

King Stormwind is confronted at Stormwind after Genn, Galen and Admiral Rogers are Raided to death and reveals his allegiance to the Void and corrupts the entire city before fleeing to who knows where.

While all this is going on Sylvanas alienates her subjects and is confronted by Baine about being no better than King Stormwind and states that the Horde is supposed to be better than this only for Sylvanas to go and Blight Undercity(right in front of her loyalists) just to mock him and the Forsaken for thinking she cared about the Horde or even the Forsaken before making her own getaway.

After this is the big showdown with Jaina and a huge source of Mana she dredged up out of the depths for the Final Raid.

Starting a war still makes you responsible and evil

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Azshara burns the tree, frames the Horde. This gives the nelves vengeance by murderizing Azshara in the raid. Saurfang doesn’t die, or if he does he gets saved last second. We have three named orcs and one of them is named CroMUSH.

Faction war never happens, it’s an old god expansion now.

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I think Azshara and N’Zoth both deserved a expansion. :confused:

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It’s a hard choice between 2 moments I would love to change

1- My first one would make Zul into the role of Snape. Infiltrating to know more about the blood trolls and their cult to this “new blood god” while playing with the antagonist card for a while to keep the people in their seat wanting to see if he is really a good actor or really defected to their side for a while as Snape did

During a crucial moments he betrays them and gives information in anticipation to Rastakhan to prepare the defense of the city in advance and uncover the traitors within the council which frees the city from corruption and prepares a smooth way toward Uldir.

Talanji’s campaign can remain the same since the prophet is smart enough to not reveal himself in those situations

2- BoD will be changed with the raid taking place in the ocean and the Alliance losing after a long and fight with their demigod(Jaina) being overwhelmed by the Loa and the navy.

The raid ends with a swarm of Nagas attacking the Zandalari fleet and damage enough half of the fleet but leaving enough ships for the Trolls to launch a campaign/surgical strike against Azshara in her own palace to dimish the naga control on the sea that has become very active.

The alliance as compesation will get Gilneas after Crowley launches an small expeditionary force to recapture it and the KT fleet isn’t totally destroyed as 8.2 did and while less ship than Zandalar, they still have enough to defend themselves and launch some expedition in Nazjatar in hopes to find some Mcguffin to turn around the tide. But most important this give Zandalar and their alliance counterpart a more prominent role in 8.2 and possible 8.3 since this allow them to pull a R’yloth with N’zoth shortly after Azshara is defeated with their navies still playing a important part.

Sylvanas will still rage-quit and the factions will focus in dealing with her as they return in a cold war status quo.

No more.

God Damn

FREAKING

HUMANS.

Believe me with this. I want the Alliance to stop relying on Humanity for every darn aspect for content. We’ve got three different kinds of humans. They’re consuming the entire Alliance narrative with races like Gnomes, Dwarves, Night Elves, and Draenei being sidelined to be punching bags, or jokes.

We’re seeing way too many human characters taking the focus where I’m so fatigued out from them. When will we replace ORC FATIGUE with HUMAN FATIGUE

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Rastakhan doesn’t die.

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So first off. Azerite isn’t a thing, it was a pointless side plot that went nowhere. Khadgar’ll fix the sword, we’ve got better things to do.

The War of Thorns results in Teldrassil being captured. The Horde enslaves the populace and has them mine resources for their war effort. They attack out of genuine paranoia after Greymane’s attack in Legion and discovering invasion plans on a dead Alliance scout.

The Alliance retaliate by attacking Lordaeron in an assault led by Genn Greymane. He has the citizens of Brill executed and uses the town as a staging ground for the assault on Lordaeron.
Fully expecting Sylvanas to use the plague, they first send SI:7 agents inside to neutralise it. When the plague is deployed it is rendered mostly harmless. The Alliance take the city without Deus Ex Jaina needing to show up. Sylvanas and her forces escape through portals and via airship.

Now here’s where I would really diverge the story. Kul Tiras and Zandalar don’t show up. At all. Those areas were far too detached from the core theme of BfA and I think there’re more interesting ways to handle this.

Instead Teldrassil and Lordaeron would serve as the capitals for the Horde and Alliance respectively and the surrounding areas would be revamped into 110-120 leveling zones.

Anduin is struggling to maintain his hold on the other Alliance leaders. His High Kingship is in name only, nobody respects him enough to do as he says. Especially Tyrande and the Kaldorei. The Alliance is becoming an Alliance again without Varian to steer the ship.

From there I’d just branch it out into a proper, genuine faction war storyline. No Old Gods, no Azerite, no Kul Tiras, no Zandalar, no Vulpera, no evil warchief and rebel plot 2.0.

It’d end either with one side being completely defeated and absorbed by the other or an actual peace treaty that ties the two factions together so tightly that fighting would destroy them both.

Then the next expansion would have Bolvar opening the Shadowlands and being the villain of that expansion.

I’d change the story but generally keep these plot points.

  • The Fourth War and the Burning of Teldrassil still happen
  • Azerite is still a thing.
  • There is a rift between Saurfang and Sylvanas.
  • Zandalar and Kul Tiras still get dragged into the war.

Pre-Patch
After the PR disaster that was the Gathering, Sylvanas has become increasingly more paranoid, not helped by the rise of Alliance spies in Orgrimmar and the surrounding area. In secret she has her agents start mass producing Azerite based weapons in Thunder Bluff (because Anduin trusts Baine he didn’t send spies there) while she and Saurfang plan an invasion of Teldrassil. The goal is to show the Alliance that if they want a war they’ll fight one with an enemy with way more fire power. Saurfang goes along with it for the same reason as canon.

War of Thorns goes pretty much the same until the Horde reaches the Tree. Malfurion doesn’t get one-shot by Saurfang and instead is forced to back off when he shows up, flying to Darnassus to make the last stand. Delaryn Summermoon gives Sylvanas that same “You made life your enemy.” but instead of torching the tree, Sylvanas orders Nathanos and Saurfang to prepare the invasion and Sylvanas was going to personally force Delaryn to watch the fall of the elves before killing her.

Last scenario of the Pre-Patch is the Invasion of Teldrassil where the Horde invades the tree with a large number of azerite weaponry. Unbeknownst to them, the Alliance has been stockpiling azerite from Kalimdor in Darnassus for various (nonlethal) purposes. Despite efforts from Malfurion to evacuate the city, the azerite cache ignites and blows up, taking out the tree killing scores of civilians and critically wounding Malfurion.

The Horde escape the burning city with Saurfang furious that the plan to knock the Alliance out of a potential war just opened the door to an full scale actual one. He blames Sylvanas for the Burning of Teldrassil, something Sylvanas doesn’t particularly mourn about but does point out that the Alliance won’t care if the burning was an accident or not, the whole of the Alliance will rise against them now and will likely retaliate at Lordaeron. Saurfang reluctantly agrees.

Back in the Eastern Kingdom, Tyrande is understandably furious and demands retaliation. Anduin agrees and wants to draft plans to attack Kalimdor through the Exodar, but Tyrande wants to attack Lordaeron first to make Sylvanas hurt. Genn agrees citing they need to cover their own territory before trying to invade a enemy stronghold and Anduin relents. With Tyrande leading the main charge, the Alliance attacks Lordaeron and well Battle for Lordaeron.

The Battle of Lordaeron goes the same. A lot of people die. Sylvanas drops the plague pissing Saurfang off more, Jaina shows up, Sylvanas nukes the city. Both factions go home. At this point both armies plan to build up their navies to invade the other continent but to do that they need new allies and go to Zandalar and Kul Tiras respectively.

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8.0-8.1

Alliance and Horde go to Kul Tiras and Zandalar for their fleets and the questing experience is pretty much the same with both factions trying to gain favors so that nation will give it’s navy to the Fourth War.

The War Campaign instead of being a buildup to the Battle of Dazar’alor is instead focused on the various warfronts springing up across Kalimdor and the Eastern Kingdoms. The big narrative hook is the continued r&d of more devastating Azerite weaponry in an attempt to turn the tide of the war. In one battle, the Horde is researching a plague that is super charged with Azerite making it far more deadly, or the Alliance is developing a gnomish super laser. As the war continues more horrible weapons are made by both factions and over time it becomes noticeable that the Azerite seems to be getting stronger making the weapons all the worse.

After level cap, the War Campaign shifts to both Zandalar and Kul Tiras joining the war and the Alliance decides now would be a great time to show off their new toys in battle. They pick Dazar’alor to a) knock the Horde’s newest allies out the war before they become a problem and b) gain superiority over the seas. Instead of a diversion like in Canon, the Alliance fleet, led by Grand Admiral Jaina Proudmoore just blow up the docked fleet with one of their Azerite weapons and attack the city. The battle goes about the same way with Rastakhan dying and Talanji taking his place. The Horde counter attack destroys the Alliance’s Azerite cannon. After the battle the Jaina takes a moment to wonder why the usually golden azerite weapon was for the briefest of moments black.

But to the fantastic luck of the Horde, the entire fleet docked at Dazar’alor and was instead engaging battle around the Great Sea (think Pearl Harbor). This ends up being to the Horde’s advantage as the Alliance thinking they could have easy pickings in Kalimdor now, attempt to invade Darkshore only to have their route blocked forcing the Battle of Darkshore to effectively the Battle of Normandy for the Alliance invaders. Tyrande lead the charge, gains Night Warrior power and the Battle of Darkshore continues until the end of the war. Anduin is growing increasingly worried about the tactics the Alliance are willing to use to win the war, but believes that despite his misgivings if they can win the war quickly they can figure out a way for everyone to live in peace.

During all of this Sarufang (who did NOT defect) continues to voice his concern over the actions of this war in particular the ever increasing production of azerite weapons that blur the lines of what he believes is a “good war” but Sylvanas ain’t having none of that. With the surprise attack on Dazar’alor, many within the Horde want blood and Sylvanas is all to happy to appease them. Saurfang and Baine worry that Sylvanas is leading the Horde right back into the darkness Garrosh led them too and plan to do something about it. It is then that they also notice that more of the azerite that Sylvanas has been keeping around has gotten darker. Sarufang decides to go to Outland to find Thrall, and Baine keeps an eye on the increasingly dark Dark Lady.

8.2
Pissed that how Dazar’alor went Sylvanas decides to go about raising fallen Alliance dead across all battlefields to replenish the Horde forces and hurt Alliance moral. Baine understandable disagrees with this, but it goes along anyway. Sylvanas has a bunch of Alliance raised in Darkshore including Delaryn. While most join her because undead is weird, some choose to remain dead. Delaryn in particular is resistant but because Sylvanas has developed an unhealthy obsession with her in particular wants Summermoon to become a mirror of herself so she plans to dominate her mind by force, using the now black azerite to amplify her power. This is where Baine draws the line.

Alliance Side, the War Council, consisting Jaina, Genn, Malfurion (Tyrande is off Night Warrioring across Kalimdor and can’t be reached to the concern of her husband) want to make a final push into Kalimdor and crush the Horde once and for all. Anduin is starting to become worried that the now black Azerite might be a little bit corrupty, but he’s finding his voice means little when he’s being out voted by the others. After receiving word from Baine that Sylvanas is using black Azerite to dominate risen Alliance soldiers, Anduin tries to organize a rescue mission. This instead becomes a straight up assassination attempt to knock out all the Horde leaders at Darkshore at once. And because it involves murdering Sylvanas, Tyrande shows up to lead the fight. They do battle in Darkshore, Sylvanas loses one of her val’kyr but both sides are forced to back off when the dark azerite starts reacting violently and summons a massive void monster.

As things go sideways, Baine (and Horde players) and Anduin (and Alliance players) releases the risen undead and they vanish. Baine tells Anduin that the Horde’s supply of azerite has all turned black and with it, the methods the Horde has gone to win the war have gotten increasingly darker. Anduin notes the same thing with the Alliance and starts thinking this all connected. Anduin decides to take the risk and follow Saurfang to Outland and hopefully speak with both the orcs about the situation.

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8.3 and start of next Expansion
All the azerite collected by both factions is just black and it’s now clear that the being around it is making people paranoid, violent, and just plan off.

Sylvanas has gotten so paranoid that she suspects the rest of the Horde leaders to be plotting her overthrow, and she will not be beaten in the depths of Orgrimmar and chained like Garrosh Hellscream. She begins drafting plans for an invasion of Stormwind to cut off the Alliance head and bring the war to a close with her as the hero of the Horde. Baine and others try to temper her paranoia but they don’t seem to be getting anywhere as they too have a growing sense of dread.

With Anduin gone after the assassination attempt, the Alliance is in disarray. Tyrande disappeared again to continue her Kalimdor Crusade, Jaina has gotten increasingly more militant her control over the seas and has began shelling the coastal areas of Zandalar and Kalidmor, damn the civilians. Genn for his part noticed his more dark tendencies seemed to surface more the longer he was in human form, so stayed in Worgen form and was given surprisingly clarity in what has happened over the course of the last few months.

The Horde players finally end up in Nagrand. Horde Players join Saurfang who is attempting to convince Thrall to come back and lead the Horde, but he refuses because he done that before and look where that got everything. While this plays out, a Scryer comes with a message from Silvermoon; Sylvanas has recalled Horde forces back to Orgrimmar and is ready for peace talks. Knowing instantly something is up, they return to Orgrimmar to find Sylvanas getting ready to throw literally every soldier, every azerite weapon they have, and all the plague they could develop at Stormwind.

Alliance players also go to Outland because nobody has heard from Anduin since he vanished, so Genn asks SI:7 to go to Outland and find the lost High King. They eventually find Anduin in Honor Hold, having never made it past Hellfire. To his surprise, he ran into the risen Alliance soldiers who had hidden away to Outland to avoid the war and try and make sense of the whole undead thing. While there, they receive word that Sylvanas had recalled all her forces and is willing to start peace talks. An overjoyed Anduin states he doesn’t need to continue further and goes back to Stormwind.

This starts the final raid of the expansion, The Battle for Stormwind. Not long after Anduin returns to Stormwind he sends word to Sylvanas he’s ready to begin peace talks. This is the signal Sylvanas uses to send all her forces to Stormwind where they have a landslide victory destroying the little ships they have at port. The Horde and Alliance fight at the docks at which point all the black azerite goes critical and explode into a massive void cloud that envelops Stormwind, corrupting just about everyone except the player character because Hero with the Hearth of Azeroth. From there the players have to make their way to Stormwind Keep where they have to battle corrupted Sylvanas and Anduin at the same time.

Once beaten, the void cloud recedes but it’s very clear something is not right. Clarity is returned to everyone effected by the black azerite making them realize that the entire Fourth War was caused by rampant paranoia that always existed but was brought to the forefront and amplified. Willing to put the war on hold (for now), the Horde and Alliance follow the void clouds to the source, which takes them to the Wound in Silithus, where the entire blade of Sargeras is now Old God Corrupted. As it turns out, N’zoth had been using the azerite across Azeroth as a door to leak his influence to everything, and was the reason the entire Fourth War began. With it’s rampant use, he was now more than strong enough to break free of his chains and plunge all of Azeroth into a new Black Empire, which he subsequently does.

Expansion ends with various void portals opening across Azeroth which leads to a Black Empire expansion. Roll credits.

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Lets see…

I would start with giving the Horde more justification for burning Teldrassil than burning it on a maniacal whim. Say the Azerite reacting with a tree in Teldrassil to the destructive effect mimicking the spirit bomb that took out Archimonde.

I’d kill off Malfurion to make Tyrandes fall more swallowable. Screw Nelf fanatics. I’m going for the big punches.

Let Lordern still play out the same but show some form of withdrawal on Jainas part, I dunno maybe shes burned out, close to feigning or whining about needing lots of sleep or a special kind of mana cookie to get back in shape.

Take the focus off Slyvanas. We don’t need more dividing crap in the Horde. But if it must stay have moments where your average Horde reflect on its warcheifs, lamenting on how quickly their leaders go nuts and what it costs them having to constantly have the sharp end of the stick shove at them. Let it play into wanting to grab something into Shadowlands.

Oh and for the Shadowlands trailer. Make Sylvanas’s fighting seem more underhanded. Its all too magical and inflated. It just makes the Frozen Throne look like a joke.

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Siege of undercity before touching of Teldrassil.

No play-along-for-now villain stuff. Baine executed in front of the other leaders for his actions.

Thrall and saurfang die in front of orgrimar, no dialogue, no cool poses, no edgy lines, you want to makgora? Sure. Insta death, no anime villain dialogues.

Night elves reviving parts of their ancient empire. And more active role for all alliance races other than the humans.

Worgen getting whatever land they want back.
More tension between blood elves and alliance instead of Disney morals.

Orcs acting like orcs and stop becoming wanna-be green humans.

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I love all the people in here who still support genociding an entire playable race but only if the Horde doesn’t have to feel like monsters for it.

You’re pathetic and disgusting creatures and the reason no one can have nice things.

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They should never ever destroy a playable race like the Night Elves if they don’t have any plans to build it back up after. That was a horrible idea to begin with and it’s getting worse now when people realize that there were never any plans or intentions to mention the Night Elves again after that, let alone build them back up or make things better.

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Hey mine was either just doubling down on the faction war, which made 0 sense to me after legion or just going to a straight azshara/old god faction.

Here’s something I wrote up almost exactly a year ago. It assumes that the expansion starts off with fighting in Kul Tiras and Zandalar. Those two places have been out of touch with the PCs’ world for so long that they might already have a grudge against each other without the PCs knowing about it, or it could be a proxy for the AvH.

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That’s when the Horde discovers that the only thing you can mine out of Teldrassil is wood chips.

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Honestly, personally make N’Zoth a good guy. Have it seem like he’s this great corruptor pulling the strings only to get to the final raid and have him be a scapegoat. Oh and somehow tie this into the Horde being…the horde in bfa…

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