If we want player housing instead of another raid

[Snozy-pagle]

@Byucknah-agamaggan

As if this person assumes that EVERYONE Raids in this game. It’s a community driven hypocrisy when people assume the content they like is content everyone likes and takes part in. Raids, just like Player Housing, has its groups of people who like it but it’s disingenuous to presume that everyone playing the game plays for raids or even likes raids

What about data backed information showing over 60% of the playerbase raids

Or even this thread where the majority are not in favor of player housing.

[Gravedancer-destromath]

Yeah and I beleive that like I believe my dogs stuffed toys come to life

[Soulebreaker-hyjal]

Well that’s between you and your bed of stuffies.

[Shieldbaby-thrall]

It’s worth noticing that when they made garrisons, we still had the same amount of raid tiers as was standard. They obviously can do both.

WoD didn’t have a lack of content because garrisons existed, they had a lack of content because a lot of the WoW team went to Overwatch and they had to train almost an entirely new team.

People just think that it has to be either/or or that it’s not a focus because Tom Chilton said some off-handed remarks about it in 2010. But Dragonflight interviews touched on their acknowledgement of its demand.

[Byucknah-agamaggan (Byucknah)]

Yeah, this is all true, my response was merely in the confides of the topic’s argument.

Honestly, with all the amazing things that have come in Dragonflight like the easing of Race/Class restrictions and various other things I am hoping we get to see housing some time in the next few expansions.

[Sorelai-wyrmrest-accord (Sorelai)]

@Ardmccloud-frostmourne

How do we make that happen?

Get on the Mythic Raid ladder in the 10 ten, win one of their esport competitions, become a “competitive” youtube or twitch streamer with a large following, open a website with Blizzard news that gains a large following.

Blizzard doesn’t even listen to their community council, why do you think they would list to anyone else in the forums.

[Moritz-proudmoore]

Lots of debate going on about how many people even raid, but why does it matter?

People do raid. There are people that play this game solely to raid.
They are an important part of the game.

Raids should not be cut.
Dungeons should not be cut.
World content should not be cut.
(I would say pvp content should not be cut, but lets be real, pvp players get nothing)

People play this game for many reasons, and no ones enjoyment should be sacrificed to bolster anothers.

[Lilyeet-garona]

@Shieldbaby-thrall

WoW’s raiding is too much of a time investment and it’s not easy to PUG.

Its an hour to clear heroic with pugs…

@Shieldbaby-thrall

raids have never really been that popular.

You are absolutely delusional. Thats literally the difference between wow and any other MMO. Its WoWs drefining factor in the MMO space.

@Shieldbaby-thrall

LFR

LFR never was. It was for solo players to experience content. LFR was such a detriment to the game…

[Brewa-hyjal]

@Anhanrundek-altar-of-storms

lmao…and why was LFR created again?

According to Ghostcrawler, LFR was created because the playerbase in Cataclysm was experiencing a net decline for the first time, and raiding was (in GC’s words) the most efficient method of player retention Blizzard had ever discovered.

So in an attempt to get players who don’t raid looped into raiding, as player retention, they created LFR.

[Anastrasza-argent-dawn]

They should do up the housing big time. I mean throw all resources at it. Make highly customizable i a bunch of different skins to make it look great. Add a ton of furniture and decor options. Make the player houses appear in little communities of them.

Then make an outdoor raid when you burn all the houses to the ground.

[Saithis-shandris (Saithis)]

@Anastrasza-argent-dawn

Then make an outdoor raid when you burn all the houses to the ground.

ohhh like rust! that would be awesome!

[Anhanrundek-altar-of-storms]

@Shieldbaby-thrall

It was for like an expansion and they had to add LFR because they couldn’t justify the cost of creating more of them.

exactly!
we seem to keep forgetting in here why LFR is even a thing, lol.

Id like to see them hire more talent so we can have lots of great stuff added. The game cant be bringing in so little profit that they cant buy some nice things.

This thread I can understand why some were put off. Taking one thing that is used and enjoyed by many to do something else we havent done yet.
The housing threads I dont see any reason for trolls to do their thing in is where the thread maker is asking for more talent to be hired to make player housing.
As you say, doesnt have to be either/or. But for some of the more entitled sorts it seems like they think that way about it.

[Kaleberry-kul-tiras]

@Ardmccloud-frostmourne

start some kind of vote for it?

It’s not a democracy. But putting it out there for comment, as you’ve done here, is what you would do. The devs read the forums and collect feedback. Personally, I think player housing would be fun. But I’m not willing to lose a raid tier over it.

[Moused-cairne (Moused)]

That old line from Blizzard that we’d have to lose a raid tier if they put in Player housing is just that old BS line now…we wouldn’t have to lose a raid tier at all…its just a nonsense line of BS …

[Brewa-hyjal]

@Anhanrundek-altar-of-storms

@Shieldbaby-thrall

It was for like an expansion and they had to add LFR because they couldn’t justify the cost of creating more of them.

exactly!

Exactly wrong, nobody from Blizzard ever said anything of the sort.

Ion once said that the increased participation in raids due to LFR justified a 16-boss raid tier at the start of MoP.

That’s it.

But, of course, the raider-haters took that and spun it as “LFR was necessary to justify raiding existing at all”.

Which is just a lie.

[Anhanrundek-altar-of-storms]

@Brewa-hyjal

@Anhanrundek-altar-of-storms

lmao…and why was LFR created again?

According to Ghostcrawler, LFR was created because the playerbase in Cataclysm was experiencing a net decline for the first time, and raiding was (in GC’s words) the most efficient method of player retention Blizzard had ever discovered.

So in an attempt to get players who don’t raid looped into raiding, as player retention, they created LFR.

every time I actually do check profiles, quite a lot have a list of LFR theyve done. Many have above that and even fewer do the mythic raiding.
Makes perfect sense that casual players might want to see a raid without going too nuts with it. some might venture in deeper, but then so many dont want to invest the time and energy…or stress…into going into mythic.
LFR allows them to see the ‘end game’ as far as raiding without too much work or stress.
So I can easily see that being something to retain subs.

[Brewa-hyjal]

The number of people who only do LFR is pretty small, though. We know from API datamining sites that the number of people who do Heroic raids was triple the number of people who do LFR/Normal (there’s no way to distinguish between LFR & Normal via achievements, so they have to be lumped together).

The notion that LFR is somehow necessary to “justify” raiding is ridicuous, though. Especially since Blizzard continually tries to bribe higher-difficulty raiders into filling the ranks of LFR to “smooth out the runs” (Blizzard’s phrasing - which I’ve always found hilarious).

[Anhanrundek-altar-of-storms]

@Brewa-hyjal

@Anhanrundek-altar-of-storms

@Shieldbaby-thrall

It was for like an expansion and they had to add LFR because they couldn’t justify the cost of creating more of them.

exactly!

Exactly wrong, nobody from Blizzard ever said anything of the sort.

Ion once said that the increased participation in raids due to LFR justified a 16-boss raid tier at the start of MoP.

That’s it.

But, of course, the raider-haters took that and spun it as “LFR was necessary to justify raiding existing at all”.

Which is just a lie.

lmao.

so YOUR argument is…everyone was raiding SOOO Much that they just added easy mode raid queue for…huh…what…exactly?

Far as Ive seen REAL raiders hate the queue feature, based on HUNDREDS of threads and comments in here over my time in this game.
so…WHO was LFR for again?
Riiiight…CASUAL players…so THEY could feel involved with ‘end game’ without having to put in the tedious work to gear up for a mythic

[Brewa-hyjal]

@Anhanrundek-altar-of-storms

so YOUR argument is…everyone was raiding SOOO Much that they just added easy mode raid queue for…huh…what…exactly?

I answered that above. Read the damn thread.

If we want player housing instead of another raid

According to Ghostcrawler, LFR was created because the playerbase in Cataclysm was experiencing a net decline for the first time, and raiding was (in GC’s words) the most efficient method of player retention Blizzard had ever discovered. So in an attempt to get players who don’t raid looped into raiding, as player retention, they created LFR.

[Foxhound-fenris]

Oh hey I know that guy.

lmao.