That used to be a problem, but Season of Disovery seems to be managing server faction balances pretty well.
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War Mode does that as well. In fact, it does it better. Thanks to cross-realm, you don’t have to consider what server has the ‘best’ open world PvP, it’s all WPvP all the time. You have to go and find it, yes, but that’s the exact same thing on a PvP server. Also, being a guild on a PvP server doesn’t make one a ‘good PvP guild’, no more than being a PvE guild means you’re regularly pushing Mythic. You’d still have to do research and comparisons. It’d just be done with War Mode on instead of War Mode off.
Again, you aren’t answering what a PvP server does that War Mode doesn’t. I suspect the reason is because there isn’t anything a PvP server does that War Mode doesn’t except one thing that is hated by the community anyway.
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I disagree with this statement. I used to be a retail only player that played war mode. It was ok for a little bit but felt stale. After SoD launched I decided to try a pvp server and now I don’t want to go back to war mode lol.
Yeah. WM just doesn’t cut it. Players who use it for a certain period of time understand
War Mode is that. It also brings players who aren’t fully interested in PvP just like the old PvP servers did. Only, it is cross realm so that players can find other people in War Mode even if their server doesn’t have many people flagged.
This seems to always be what it comes back to, it felt boring or hit different when it was a restriction based on server. But, with the exception of being able to opt out without a server transfer or fresh character, it is the same as a PvP server.
Season of Discovery PvP servers have had issues to the point that they are offering free transfers off them. The enforced faction balancing isn’t exactly winning the day.
Some of the best pvp guilds were in fact on pvp servers so you are wrong in that fact.
I don’t know how what I said wasn’t an answer by the way. WM does not turn MG into a pvp server, its just like using the old /pvp system on non pvp servers. I play on MG to play with friends and turn on WM and if im lucky I get to pvp on my alt at pvp world quest. Is it fun yes, do I often win no. Is it like being on a pvp realm no.
A pvp server on the other hand has groups of people who signed up for pvp all over the place and the end zones are packed with players if you like wpvp. Just because “you followed your friends” doesn’t mean you also don’t sign up for pvp if you were on Tich or ED.
Again WM may seem like an answer for you because you dont like pvp.
Ohh yea becasue ED was a rppvp realm got mashed with MG and wyrmrest both rp only realms so that really helped triple the pvp population didnt it?
So why cant we keep WM for everyone that only wants a little pvp and a server for people that want pvp full time and have a community to do it with?
Yea that sucks but that is sharding which I have been told if they fixed would fix WM and make it amazing. Again if they fix it wouldn’t server balance be better and fun?
That is an issue of population, it is not some inherent flaw of war mode. World PvP is not popular enough to be packed constantly, even with cross-servers.
Blizzard doesn’t want to deal with that, or they would’ve kept PvP servers. As for overhauling sharding, that’s a significant undertaking.
if they ever do make a pvp server again i hope they make one rule, you complain about dying you get a 1 week forum suspension.
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If only half of the pvp players from pre WM came back the server would be packed, with players and would have a wait timer to get in.
The above is the only problem I see with only 1 pvp server. They could enforce balance like the do in SoD
lol that would be wild, the forums would be pretty silent at least.
If half the depricated PvP servers were made PvP only, it would be a disaster. But where is this massive population coming from, if nobody is doing world PvP as it currently exists?
here is the thing, you go into warmode and it is dead silent, no one advertising for wpvp. no one advertising for bg groups , no one forming groups for attacks on city leaders ect, but on a pvp server which had the pvp minded people congregated together on a server you had all of that ,which made it a lot better.
Do you know how long pvp has been pushed aside, or how so many changes to the open world hurt wpvp?
none pvp players dont seem to understand, sharding and WM didnt help us, it hurt us.
Im so tired of trying to explain why one server is okay, and sure some one and friends would have to make a hard choice because friends like pvp server and they dont.
What about my friends who quit because of the bad choices made by Blizz, Does my “I want to play with my friends too” not count because we play a way you (not you personally) don’t like?
I’m terrible at pvp, what few chances for wpvp I’ve gotten I’ve died more often than not but I still enjoy it.
Were not asking for all the old servers to come back, were asking for just 1 so we as a pvp community have somewhere to go, where we have a community to do stuff with, where our play style is always available. If you wanted to come pvp that would be great the more the merrier and if you chose to stay on ravenholdt then thats okay and I hope you have a blast.
Sharding does have negative impacts, nobody has denied that, but asking Blizzard to overhaul the system for one server is unrealistic. As for War Mode, that claim has been made but nothing supports that a PvP server would be any different. War Mode did not remove World PvP, it allowed people to choose without needing to leave their servers to do so and encouraged those on normal servers to engage in it where otherwise there were no benefits. The decline of World PvP was a population decline.
Sorry, you keep referring to overhaul. What do you mean?
They’d have to turn off Warmode and sharding. This already exists in Classic, existed before, and they turn off sharding for cities in RP realms for example (of which there’s only a handful, but that’s worth the effort). They also toggle sharding on for events in cities like Hearthstone.
Why do you believe this would be an extensive effort? I understand “turn off” and “toggle” are oversimplifications, but I’m not sure it’s as complicated as you’re assuming? it to be.
Perhaps this works on smaller servers, but there is a reason that the open world zones even on RP servers have shards. The game does not play nice with 80-man groups and world boss pulls. We saw that every Tuesday in the Maw during Sanctum, the zone slowed to a crawl from that number of people being packed in.
Maybe the PvP servers it would work on due to small population, but it would be an additional effort for them to maintain, we’ve routinely seen the different server types not playing nice when they change behaviors in one.
Ok we’ve gone from overhaul to “additional effort”, so that’s progress.
Blizzard isn’t a small indie company, and they’ve shown they’re willing to take risks on extensive side-modes like Plunderstorm - and efforts they previously said weren’t worth it like Classic.
You don’t know the demand, you don’t know the effort required, and threads like this may show Blizz there’s enough interest even if for just a limited experiment.
I can’t know the exact numbers, nobody other than Blizzard can, but the routinely repeated claims that War Mode is empty from those asking for a server which, functionally, is always warmode-enabled, suggests the population is lacking.
There’s extensive thoughts above in the thread regarding Warmode not being a sufficient replacement for a PvP realm, which may explain why it’s empty.
PvP realms on Classic are bustlin’, and realms like Emerald Dream were balanced and populous prior to Warmode.
I’d take it farther, complaining about dying in PvP is one thing, but if the complaint is based more around getting camped to the point they can’t get away that gets a pass but ANY replies that say things ike “roll PvE carebear” “get gud noob”, and of course “PvP happened on a PvP server” ger the server shut down and any request to bring them back gets a reply of "PvP player proved they can’t handle having their own server in a way that is fun for all on it, so no PvP servers for you make due with warmode.: