Yes. If all your friends want to play on a pvp server and you don’t, your (in my opinion) a terrible friend if you try and force them to play with you the way you want.
its not like you cant do things other than wow with them.
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You can still do pve on a pvp server, unless all your friends want to do is wow pvp then again its a you problem not us and them problem
they gave people pvp servers in classic and people naturally created servers that are completely 1 sided so they didn’t have to pvp on the pvp server they chose themselves
If they left a normal server because they felt war mode was lacking, and wanted a PvP server, it would be their responsibility and choice to have a character on a normal server too if they felt it was important enough to play with you. And if they want to game with you bad enough it’s a choice they can make OR they can continue to play on a normal server just like usual.
This thread isn’t to get rid of war mode completely, we just want the option of a different type of server in addition.
Options are not a bad thing for a game that costs 15 dollars a month to play. Just because the option is there, doesn’t mean it needs to be taken.
But also have to consider that, we had that option previously. The reason we don’t have it? It failed
Like, that’s why we don’t have pvp servers any more. People just rolled the dominant faction on them so there was no pvp, as Classic shows. War Mode was invented to try and get people to roll the other faction, and all it ended up doing was benefitting the Oceanic servers (which were mainly Alliance dominant) with buffs
Cross-faction raiding probably has alleviated the worst of the actual problem, but what other incentives are people suggesting to prevent this happening again?
Server balance like they use in SoD
Out of curiosity, with cross-realm guilds coming in War Within, being able to group cross-faction, and being able to phase to other realms via grouping…what content are you being denied from playing with your friends cross realm?
You’re right, I can do PvE on a PvP server. The problem is other people can force me into PvP on a PvP server too, and I don’t want to serve as an honor farm when I’m just trying to level. Yet, if I wanted to play with my friends on that server, or if they invited me on the server to play because we both enjoy WoW, that would be a decision point we’d have to address. War Mode allows us to not have to worry about that, we don’t need to decide if we’re going to play on a PvP server or a PvE server because, with War Mode, we can do either as we please without losing progress or having to swap characters/servers.
There is nothing a PvP server offers that War Mode doesn’t aside from the ability to gank other players without restraint or regard. Sharding is the real issue and would happen with or without War Mode, just look at people getting sharded out of rare monster encounters. Your ‘big epic battle’ gets canceled when half of a side gets sharded because the server freaks out.
And before you say it, because I know it’s coming, SoD is novel and new, so that’s why it’s popular. Let’s leave it for a decade or more and see how it turns out. Wanna take a bet? Odds are on my side, so probably smart if you didn’t.
Being on the same server will always be more reliable and stable than relying on Blizzard’s shaky cross-realm, and there may be weird rules with it that crop up too (no LFD queuing for cross-faction groups was a huge bummer, wanted to level my Alliance panda with my Horde friends’ help, so had to go back to my Vulp).
Then you should have no reason to worry about your “friends” leaving if it’s the same thing. So your arguments above are a non issue?
What I’m saying is you already have what you want. Endless PvP wherever you can find it.
That is, unless what you actually want is the ability to trap people in the PvP ruleset. In that case, too bad, so sad. That ship sailed when the superior option was implemented.
Don’t you see you’re arguing against yourself? You say above that you are worried players will leave for a pvp server, and you would be forced to make a decision. But then you say they are the same thing, so then why would they leave their current server? You need to pick one argument, using both of them is contradictory
… Huh?
My argument is that you’re being a liar in what you’re asking for. You’re not asking for a PvP server. Activate War Mode and never turn it off, and you’ve got a PvP server. What you’re asking for is the ability to force other players into an inescapable PvP ruleset, something that was considered in the past and quashed because it was bad and a superior solution to the dilemma of PvP was found.
What are you talking about?! I am asking for a pvp server. Plain and simple. There is no lie there. I play on a pvp server in classic. That’s what I want for retail
Then turn on War Mode, and leave it on. There’s your PvP server. All the PvP you can find and do. All against other players looking for the same experience.
So why isn’t that good enough?
I still think the craziest thing about this thread is we aren’t even asking war mode to go away. All we are asking for is a server type to play on. Somehow people who like war mode still have a problem with this even though they can still play in war mode just fine on normal servers
Your inquiry has been addressed, again and again, and you’ve failed to provide an answer to it. War Mode is a PvP server. Activate War Mode and don’t turn it off, and you’re on a PvP server, all the PvP you can find.
What you’re asking for is a captive audience for your gankfest. Otherwise, what does War Mode not give you if you just leave it on? And before you try it, sharding is an entirely different system from War Mode.
I don’t see why it’d be a problem, especially if they implement SoD rules on faction balancing. The server would have to exist in a vacuum though. Exclusive Auction House, LFG, Guilds, the works. A lot of quality of life stuff would be out.
It would essentially be making Classic-Retail. I’m not sure Blizzard would do that for a singular server. I don’t mind the idea, personally. If it makes people happy why not? I have my dorky little RP server, after all.
It’s a tall order these days, but I think it’d be cool for the world PvP dweebs. You shouldn’t be forced to classic because you like to fight in the world. It’s gotta be lame to wait for the other faction to punch in before you can do that.
I know there are tons of reasons in this thread if you want to look through it. My reasons are also listed above, but I don’t want to go back and keep adding them every time someone asks. If I could pin it I would
Those reasons are either vague (you wouldn’t understand, WPvPers would want it), exclusionary (we don’t want you here), or predatory (you know what you were getting into, you should lose character progress if you can’t PvP, etc).
Again, what does War Mode lack that a PvP server offers? Because if you turn it on and leave it on, there is literally zero difference.
So what if I post a bunch of reasons as to why? Then will you agree and side with letting us have a individual pvp server? Or would you just continue to argue against it? Not looking to waste my time on someone who can’t see anything but their own opinion.
Are they good reasons, or pointless rhetoric?
If you want the thing, you have to convince others to see your way. Saying ‘you don’t understand’ ain’t it. You also have to show how War Mode isn’t capable of satisfying what a PvP server offers.
Let me help you out with some conditions you should think about when writing up your talking points: