well I mean of course, ventrilo was not as technical as discord, I don’t think that’s even a argument. Discord however is similar that you can connect and talk with friends there’s just a lot more integrations and things you can do with discord that ventrilo could not at the time.
vent goated for sure
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Also Discord is free (Unless you consider nitro a thing but not required to use it), didn’t we have to pay monthly fees for a ventrilo server if I remember correctly lol? Man I miss the retail Wrath - Mop era lol.
Oh, I meant more in how the footprint of the program was handled in my response to you, was way less intrusive and if I didn’t have a dual monitor would be super clunky compared to when I used Ventrilo.
Agreed.
If they made something similar for wow I would not be against it however It would be hard to fit that aspect into the world for wpvp. Instanced however could be a cool concept like a massive Alterac Vally however make it sieged base like Gw2 and add server rotations and make it never ending intill the servers that fight are rotated out.
Or add battlegroups and base it off of that.
I loved guild wars 2 for a while and indeed enjoyed WvW.
I just like the “FEEL” of wows combat system more.
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All im trying to do here is make the game more enjoyable for people who want to participate in the way pvp used to be. And as long as that doesnt hinder anyone else’s gameplay, I dont see what the problem is. We are not asking to take war mode away. Im fact, it can stay just how it is. And everyone can stay on the server they are already on. Those who want to join us on a pvp server, great, you are welcome to do so. Everyone else, stay where you already are.
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Amen sir. 
Power in the player of “Choice” just like it use to be Pvp server or normal server.
You don’t need an extensive repository of knowledge to engage in wpvp… Most of the best wpvp battles I was involved in happened randomly and escalated. Planned city raids and things like that, despite also being fun, were never as good as the random epic battles.
I was agreeing with you
No, my posts have been very specifically explaining why warmode isn’t an acceptable substitute for real pvp realms to people that don’t even pvp who keep trying to tell us what pvp servers should be like.
I didn’t say you were, I said you were doing something that a lot of pve-only players do in these threads.
Yeah ganking happens, it’s part of pvp server ecology, which most of the people arguing against pvp servers don’t understand in the slightest. If you don’t have ganking, then nobody comes to defend, then no big battles happen. You need villains to have heroes. Almost the entirety of my playtime at max level involved sitting in WordDefense and responding to towns getting attacked.
I was talking about a few specific people in this thread…
Look at world of warcraft currently at what has happen the player base it has been fractured into Retail, Wotlk classic, SoD. Soon to be Cata classic with wrath merging into it. What harm would 1 pvp server do to retail especially those defending Warmode. If warmode is great than those players that do it will stick to that and nothing changes
Than those that love organic pvp will be on a pvp server. I guarantee it would be popular also.
Come again?
Now you’re just picking little parts to make me sound like I don’t know what I’m saying. Read the whole thing or don’t quote it at all.
Loud minority lol. Blizzard listens to a loud minority just to take something away that the vast majority enjoy. Is that really the take you’re going with?
And now everybody that wants to wpvp has that option to opt in and enjoy it. No more holding people in fights when they’re done with it.
That isn’t what I said but okay. We can move past it for now.
Apologies, that intent was lost in your reply as there quite a few very strong anti PVE responses being thrown around just for disagreeing about general things.
Nice answer, I am not wrong in this observation it seems based on your reply.
pretty much anything you could do on a PVP server you can do with warmode turned on. If you can’t find like minded people, to do Wpvp activities with in warmode what does this tell you about a PVP realm in modern WoW?
I mean, I know what PVP realms were like. I know there were big battles that happened but I also know that those were not the primary WPVP happening as does anyone who played on one for more than a month. If it was just these cool battles and skirmishes it would be a much more accepted concept to have them return, sadly the negative interactions have burned enough of the community (both PVP and PVE) to the point where those servers were removed and the opt in warmode option added. Warmode was the compromise.
That is still tribalism that is blocking discourse. Your tone suggested that you put me into that group on a whim, that is why I responded that way. Tribalistic attitudes do not help things generally and your replies really gave that impression. If I am mistaken in that I accept it on the limitations of a text based format.
I still will say that there have been plenty of reasoned responses in here that are wholly being disregarded because they are alternate to yours and others while you and others expect those people to do what you aren’t in these exchanges: be open to other view points.
This really still seems based in nostalgia, very very very rarely are calls for help from lowbies answered and even rarer are the battles that might spawn from that.
I get that places where high levels hangout would have those battles happen sometimes, lights hope, the isle in TBC, etc.
Being ganked with no way to respond is not fun, it was pervasive enough on PVP realms as recent as Classic Era and Wrath to create mono faction realms and a mercenary mode in Classic. Ganking in my experience from the past, which I do have a fair bit of WPVP experience, was the vast majority of Wpvp interactions.
I have super plesant memories of holding quest hubs and blocking choke points on roads that resulted in small skirmishes and I would love to recreate that, but watching what players have done with PVP realms in Classic is the main reason I am a detractor in this discussion. SoD is only keeping a modicum of balance due to heavy handed balancing placed on those realms by Blizzard because of how players turned PVP realms into defacto PVE ones in classic already. SoD, the seasonal game mode, is hardly the best thing to hold as an example.
I mean this very gently, but hypocrisy is still hypocrisy, and that does go both ways.
I am not wrong in this, you may not think it applies to you and I don’t personally know you, but thinking in an us versus them mentality is indeed self limiting. Which based on your emoji I take as being a valid criticism.
If your argument is based on a gimmick version of old wow you should find a better argument.
You literally said “it hasn’t happened because we want it to happen”. That doesn’t make sense. If enough people wanted it Blizzard would probably do it. For YEARS people asked for classic wow and Blizzard famously responded with the blue “wall of no”. It got repeated again and again until one day Blizzard saw that a classic version would bring more money.
A retail pvp server wouldn’t bring in anywhere close to that kind of new subs/money.
If one day you get it, good for you, but right now all the deciding factors point to it not happening/being a bad idea.
What a ideal situation for pvp server is this.
1 pvp server
No layering or phasing (Even if this costs the removal of server wide invites) I’d be willing to only work off of my server. That’s the cost it takes I think it’s risk to solve the problem. Make us our own little society. It’s just how it would have to be.
Season of Discovery balancing faction ratio once one faction over rides the other. It sucks temporarily but it’s a necessary for the longevity of the health of the server. and eventually sorts itself out but with only 1 server should be easier to manage when this needs to take into effect.
Queues etc will resolve themselves over time. Don’t add another pvp server.
Fix World Defense unless warmode was the issue.
If you play a normal server or support warmode. There is no reason to get upset over another communities values or suggestion since it’s irrelevant and doesn’t effect you.
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Geebus this is still going…
Yeah, because there are a lot of people who find this important. And even more pve players trying to argue against it even though it doesn’t change their game at all.
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To be fair, I’m a PVE player, and I honestly don’t care one way or the other. If it makes people happy then I don’t have a problem with it.
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I wish some of the others in here would think like you. Some people in here want to prevent others from enjoying the game the way they want to simply because they don’t like it.