Literally no change made prevented that community from continuing on. If they didn’t thats on them. If it were popular enough to continue or warrant the investment, it would have. Whether or not there was one surviving community at the time isn’t remotely relevant. It wasn’t big enough to sustain, so it was removed. My whole point is to refute the copium posts that war mode was inflicted upon the game instead of the solution to epically failing pvp servers.
This world of wow is big enough I’m sure anyone can find an outlier to refute any absolute statement, like you have here. Doesn’t change the reality of the reason behind implementing war mode.
Sorry, can you identify one post arguing this on the thread (Warmode was a bad solution that universally ruined PvP, and didn’t solve any issues)? I think this is a strawman. Most acknowledge Warmode’s benefits.
In any case, that’s certainly not what the vast majority are arguing. I think you’re arguing with yourself?
Despite having likely an order of magnitude more people than most dedicated PvP servers at the time, the argument is that it wasn’t large enough for their standards
I mean, I agree. Our server was great. I suspect it was something that couldn’t last forever, WM or not. But it was painful to watch the decline.
Or are you failing to use your brain to comprehend the sustainability aspect?
Pvp servers require specific coding, maintenance, balancing, updates, aka time spent ONLY ON THEM that cannot be applied to other severs without THE EXACT SAME time spent coding/etc for the same update.
It seems as if you don’t understand enough of the development process to legitimately have this conversation. Much like you asked me why I’m here i could ask you if you dont even understand the basics why are you here posting copium?
Pvp-wpvp is not popular enough to sustain separate servers. End of story.
Again, you’re the one that is not thinking before you comment. They ALREADY HAD THEM. What are you talking about developing code for? Pvp servers were literally wows pvp before war mode even existed. You really think they need to spend days developing a new system? It’s already there.
Not going to go back and find it but its within the first 200 posts that the zoumsz guy was constantly saying war mode was bad for pvp. He complains about sharding and all kinds of stuff up there arguing that pvp servers solve all the problems.
As addressed many times, your group of friends still has the option for WM, which you claim gives them everything they need. So if they’re wanting to go full PvP instead, clearly there’s something they want that WM isn’t providing. However, you insist that they shouldn’t have the opportunity to enjoy that because you don’t like it.
And, what are you so worried about getting attacked for? You’ll have all those friends to fight for you. Dream scenario in a PvP open world situation.
Absolutely, and I’d never deny my friends the chance to do something they like because I don’t want to. I’d be a pretty terrible friend if I did.
War mode is all the people who want to do world pvp. Like yourself.
You used to enjoy it more because you enjoyed going out and ganking people who didn’t want to pvp.
So you’d just slaughter an alt that has mobs on them, then proceed to camp them.
Now a days you can’t do that because those people aren’t around for you to harass and the people who are around are also good at pvp do you can’t just stomp them.
Adding a pvp server won’t add anything new that you don’t already have in war mode.
There have been plenty of reasons stated above as to why war mode is not the same. Go back and read them. As for camping low levels, who says that’s what everyone does? Maybe it happens, but it happens with war mode too. There will always be players stronger than others and can spawn kill as many times as they want. If you’re in war mode at a 430 ilevel and a player lvl 470 wants to camp you, they could all day long even with war mode because you still have to go back to a capital city to turn it off. Ganking is not an excuse to not have a pvp server. I didn’t even do that back when pvp servers existed anyways.
On demand PVP like warmode is much better than what was there before.
If warmode was popping off regularly there would be more case for a PVP realm, reading this thread from both supporters and detractors it seems like warmode is not often used even by those who enjoy WPVP.
nah this doesn’t work the way you think it does in your scenario.
With warmode I can effectively leave either by hearthing/etc and toggle, then go back and finish what I was doing.
On a pvp only realm if I am being camped to the point of being unable to do the task I was attempting, I just log out. Sure can try calling for help but the likely hood of that help happening is historically low.
So yeah, ganking and being camped is a good reason to bring up for why Warmode is superior and PVP servers were not.
Yes. With people who are opting in for that. Before war mode a lot of people found themselves on pvp servers who didn’t necessarily want to pvp. Maybe they started the game not knowing what pvp was. Maybe they got stuck on the server that their friends play on. Maybe they used to enjoy pvp but grew out of it.
Being on a pvp server before war mode didn’t mean you actively wanted to engage in pvp. So getting ganked at low levels feels terrible.
But opting into that through war mode means you WANT pvp. You’re actively inviting it since it’s turned off by default. There’s a huge difference between those two things.
It is though. If you were to make a NEW pvp server, it would be filled with only people who want to pvp. Just as war mode is.
I think what people want is the old pvp servers back where they can harass people who aren’t going to kick their butt.
Yes, but you’re actively inviting it by opting into war mode. You can also spawn at a graveyard, hearth, turn war mode off then go back to whatever you were doing. In a pvp server you can’t.
Again, harassing people who don’t want to be harassed.
It all comes back to the same thing. People want to harass those who want to be left alone. A pvp server doesn’t offer you anything that war mode doesn’t.
. And yes, you lack nuance - all your claims are universal ones.