Then they need to buff it’s sustained damage by at least 30 to 50% outside of cooldowns. We hit like a hunter pet’s auto-attacks otherwise. Of course swapping to assassination isn’t much of an issue, but some people don’t want to or aren’t able to play both specs. Either one is fine by me. This is just out of fairness. Though I do wonder if both will be too weak to compete at some point soon.
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Honestly I feel like the biggest issue with sub is it has ten thousand damage modifiers, which I feel like is an issue in PvE too and sub has been lacking there for a while too.
The spec really just needs to be reverted to WoD or MoP sans burst of speed and perhaps gouge.
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I think that sounds fair and balanced. But one thing sucked back then. That whole shadow damage dot thing was trash. I forgot what it was called. But it was garbage and gutter trash. That should have been a physical bleed instead
I haven’t really played rogue since WoD so I don’t want to speak for you or other sub rogues, but I can’t imagine it feels good having that many CD’s just to do dam, even though most of them are off GCD.
Our two best cooldowns are both 2 and 3 minutes long (Evasion and Shadow Blades, which aren’t even that great) while people like ret and warrior have 1 or 1.5 min huge cooldowns. It’s gotten OLD…
Yeah I can agree with that, dance and kidney should be pretty scary, and it should go back to 1 charge on a min CD or w/e it used to be.
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It used to be badass that sub was weak but had all the control.
Why do sub players have to have damage and control.
It’s Assasination and outlaw that should have damage, but not garrotte.
Make the classes and specs unique again.
IMO sub should be a wet noodle. But should have garrotte and gouge. Assasination no dance, only garrotte, more sustain. Outlaw no garrotte, maybe gouge, no dance, but has burst. Bring back prep for sub… 2 vanishes? Just prep for vanish.
Different rogue specs for different comps. Sub for setup comps. Sub just does cc and restealths. Outlaw plays bursty stuff like dk/rogue. Assasination is like a middle ground.
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ok well they just deleted the restealth conduit so a 20 sec bleed means a sub rogue cant reset anymore, i dont care about having damage but burst on a 1.5 min cd would be fine with me and deleting the master assassin leggo is fine with me, but without that restealth conduit sub rogues are sitting ducks, right now in ptr they have half the burst from stealth and cant restealth on teams with dots without further changes there is no reason to play sub over assass in any comp
if anything sub rogue should be reworked to get more victories, their representation on the ladder is weak nerfing them because bad teams cant manage their trinkets and defensives is sad, taking away sub rogues restealths via cloak conduit is the worst thing that could happen to them, with the enemy team properly managing trinkets and defensives a rogue team should need atleast 3 go’s to get a kill, without the conduit you might not get a 2nd go or have to spend all your dr’s attempting to get a restealth that might not work
isn’t this pretty much exactly what the dark shadow build is now? nobody likes that as or against
lets also not forget that in 2’s one of sub rogues only viable comps is a fire mage, which still has weak representation on the ladder and fire mages are being nerfed, this is bad for sub rogues, sub rogues should hate the suggested changes and every other player should too, you could have harder matches than playing against rogue and you probably will when we finally swap to the meta
Either the burst or the stun needs to be dropped to 2 seconds. Being able to kill someone because you have a 7 second stun on a very short cd is insane.
Gouge on like a 45 second CD would feel more normal to old school players like me.
How is shadowy duel not the cheesy bs that people are complaining about? It’s basically a cc on the other two players from the team who can’t see the rogue during duel.
Somehow gouge got complained about and removed but shadowy duel is normal now?
Kind of a dumb ability IMO.
Teritsu you literally are off subject way too far. You say a lot of random junk about rogues that has nothing to do with what’s actually going on.
Gouge on a 45 second cd would be dumb.
The whole class is just still designed badly. It’s a squishy stunbot who does no damage outside of cds and has to rely on running the entire time to get restealths. It’s very shallow and empty feeling compared to the previous versions of it. It’s missing so much utility - gouge, garrote, dismantle, prep. Prep used to be huge and having two vanishes allowed you to use it more freely, whether offensive or defensive. I miss having more self sustain and not being the trained target every game. Double evasion, combat readiness, recuperate
I think they need all their stuff back like that, and then you can start removing stuff like two dance charges and shadowy duel.
it was weak that one season in cats,and mop. Otherwise sub could kill in a cheap shot with no gimmick, or just ambush when Fangs of the Father was a thing.
Wrong depends on the player.
who likes dark shadow besides palumor and whoever he takes his “inspiration” from
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U are deadset the most clueless mong on every topic u post on
genuinely asking lol
edit: he plays with palumor LMFAO