Sure thing. 
His intentions here are very clear. To even come up with something like that in a meh thread about Sylvans I canāt take seriousā¦
Going all in for ājusticeā while going on full war mongerā¦
I even said I have no problems with loses. 
I donāt care.
I only care that I see Anduin as harmful to the story. Normally Alliance players seem to grasp this. But not Zerde in his trolling mood.
I bet you were really happy when you saw Brill destroyed. Have fun.
Shrug Apparently thatās an Alliance only thing I guess. Azshara was even lost in WC3 thanks to the Burning Legion and the Naga right after. If weāre going down the rabbit hole of āwell it was Night Elves before so it belongs to them!ā Then we can say all of Azeroth belongs to Troll, and then say it belongs to Old Gods, and before even that the Elements.
Iām still mad about this. Gilneas had the coolest architecture in-game and yet once you leave Gilneas the Worgen get nothing. Meanwhile Goblins get their own little island to call their home.
Straight up Blizzard just doesnāt like Worgen if you ask me. That or they regret adding them.
Honestly feel for ya there. Gilneas has such beautiful architecture, and no one can even use it?! Iāll make an Alliance character just so I could hang out in Gilneas.
Blizzard honestly hates Worgen to the point of the heritage armor quest line stating ānah stay human, it sucks being Worgen!ā
Eh, thereās a difference between something where influence has waned as of a few years ago and tens of thousands of years. In law itās a concept called āAdverse Possessionā, and usually establishes a standard of about twenty years, which I think is a reasonable baseline to work from.
Tyrande also considers the loss of Azshara AS a loss - itās something that she reluctantly negotiates rights to in exchange for peace at Varianās urging.
On a side note about that: Churchill was right.
Frankly it was strange to leave Gilneas unused (like most of the world).
It could have made for cool stories and Iām all for reviving it with Gilnean NPCs. Perhaps you could argue taking refuge at Darnassus was a ok / good story point, butā¦ only for maybe a patch or something.
The mass murderer of Bengal? This explains your insane takes. Uff. 
You can believe that a person is right about a subject like appeasement and not agree with them on other topics. The idea that agreeing with a person on certain things means uncritically accepting everything they say or do is childish.
But you probably already knew that.
Then be specific next time for your own sake.
Letās not forget everything that made Gilneans/Worgen unique and separate from Stormwind Humans was taken and given to the Kul Tiransā¦ so now Gilneans have nothing left, no identity other than being Worgenā¦ OH WAITā¦
Thatās right! Like you said, Blizzard said being a worgen sucks and the curse needs to die out. I love being homeless in Stormwind, with all of our themes and identity taken away and given to someone else (Kul Tirans), and the last thing that DOES make us unique is said to be horrible and needs to go away (worgen curse).
RACIAL PRIDE at itās finest!
Agreed. I liked that the Night Elves helped the Worgen and let them stay in Darnassus, it forged a relationship that will last forever. But yeah that should have been temporary, Gilneans should have reclaimed and resettled Gilneas by now.
At this point itās safe to say Blizzard has no intention of doing that, so the best we can hope for is them giving us a āmini-cityā in like Duskwood or somewhere in Kaldorei lands that has Gilnean architecture.
Given the context, it was pretty clear. You threw a red herring, and you werenāt slick about it.
Personal loss yes, still doesnāt negate the fact that the Night Elves literally lost it with the attacks from the Burning Legion and Naga right after. Uneless Iām missing some heavy context and the Night Elves immediately reinforced it and reluctantly gaved it up after.
They had a settlement on the border, but I will concede that they had about as much operational control over it as Canada has over their Northwest Territories.
Like you said, you got Darkshore back, and we still donāt know the official status of Ashenvale.
Like I said before, if you want the Horde to go through the same thing, where lose some zones for a year, then get back potentially more than you started with, Iāll gladly take that trade.
Yeah, youāre right. The Alliance didnāt kill any of those Horde leaders(nor did the Horde kill Varian), but thatās not really the point. The Alliance isnāt going to kill Sylvanas either if she dies. The point was that, for the sake of narrative faction balance(if you care about that, I personally donāt), when they kill off a Horde race leader, they should also kill off an Alliance race leader.
No way the Alliance doesnāt get credit for that. āWell you destroyed it yourselves during our attack.ā Itās not like the Alliance was just going to stop and go home if we didnāt blight it. The city was lost either way as a direct result of the Alliance attack. We just made sure you couldnāt occupy it afterwards.
Love that analogy, thereās a reason we call it Nunavut! Hehee!
I would even say settlement is pushing it, there was barely any Night Elves in that camp at the entrance of Azshara. Donāt think even any tents, Iāll have to visit it again. Going off by Classic knowledge though, never touched Azshara with the cataclysm update. Never really touched any of the updated lands with a 10 foot pole. Hence I may be missing a lot of context and do apologize for anything I am missing.
Hey HEY! That awesome style, feel, Gilneas ERM Kulātiran heritage armor, architecture was wasted on you monsters! Had to give it to humans, instead make them bigger and thicc! That is the way!
In case missing it, being sarcastic. That is terrible that the Kulātirans took what was left of the Worgen. Worgen were done dirty so bad in a ton of ways.
I mean, can Undercity be considered the loss of the Alliance? Like an acquisition, but lost immediately? Most likely not, but still.
Can it be the 3 of them? 
I mean, Blizzard eventually walked back the idea that the Alliance meaningfully hit back here. So it ultimately ended up being dumb, pointless destruction of a perfectly good capitol city city with Brill thrown in for good measure - all so that Sylvanas could be further set up as their new Arthas.
In legion Blizz released a short comic where it showed an old Anduin talking with Velen about starting a fight against the shadows.
So donāt think Anduin will die soon.
They backpedaled on it within months, saying it was just one possible future.