WoW tokens completely destroyed the retail economy and turned the game into a P2W trash show. You can purchase top end 226 gear from the auction house with gold OR get a full boost to glad or mythics. You could say “Well can’t you still get carried with gold without WoW tokens?” Yes you can, but gold is much more viable and harder to get without WoW tokens and the majority of players don’t trust gold seller sites with their card information so they don’t buy gold therefor vastly limiting the problem and keeping the economy intact (the classic economy is still great and is in a completely better state than retail has been in years).
WoW tokens will not get rid of bots or gold sellers, this is a lie made up by people to justify their desire to purchase tokens for easy gold. If it did destroy bots and gold sellers then why are they still rampart and thriving on retail? I went to classic to get away from the P2W fiasco that is retail and the joke of a game it has become, I don’t care about store mounts but being able to purchase gold with real $$ does no good for the game whatsoever and only destroys it. Do NOT bring this terrible abomination to classic or you will see alot of your players who are hanging by a thread leave in droves.
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Look the botter that sells gold is going to leave if we hurt his gold selling business.
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Botters still exist in retail today and are in full force… as if this does much of anything to them in the long run. History shows otherwise.
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I mean, you realize what actually destroyed the wow economy was the advent of daily quests that dropped a total (not all in 1 quest) 100 - 200 gold a day for minimal effort right? Literally overnight went from 1000g being a lot to 1000g being chump change for everyone.
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You’re 100% correct about that being a factor. But The WoW token is responsible as well. I feel like it’s 50/50 between the two.
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Not advocating for a TBC token here, but people that buy gold generally use a throwaway card or third party like PayPal. And believe it or not, but gold buying is rampant. There’s sort of a reason why bots are so pervasive in the game. Demand.
We can argue about the health of the economy, but I think a reality check is in order.
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It’s not. Not even close. The people who have the most gold in wow, by in large don’t by gold and have never needed to.
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Yet they got a lot of that gold from people who did buy it.
Why are people just spamming threads about it. Literally other threads just popping up everywhere and people just spamming even more threads. It’s like they want the WoW token right now or something despite playing dead in protest.
Everyone doesn’t have to buy it. Do you understand how an economy works?
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I mean, now sure. But even before the wow token they were still making the most gold off everyone on the AH.
Right, but let’s be for real here. before the token the people who played the AH were still making mad amounts of gold playing the AH. Then the daily quests came in and made gold worth far less than it was. And they just kept adding more and more and more ways for everyone to make easy gold, long before they introduced the WoW token.
tl;dr the economy was broken long before the wow token.
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You’re right, it was. Then the WoW token came in and made the problem even worse. inflation was certainly started by world quest and the extreme amount of gold pumped in by them. They both exist, and they’re both a problem. Blaming it all on quest reward gold and not tokens though is a bit disingenuous. Atleast with quest you have to DO SOMETHING other than swipe your card.
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I’m not blaming it only on WQs and Dailies, I’m just saying that’s what broke it in the 1st place.
Don’t get me wrong, introducing large amounts of gold into the game with no viable way of removing it is bad, but the largest problem isn’t the gold buyers, it’s blizzard introducing new ways to easily get gold and the botters who exploit those to make stupid amounts of gold to sell.
Inflation from world quest did have a factor yes but compared to the inflation from WoW tokens… it’s not even close. I’ve played every expansion and I know how the economy was before WoW tokens and it was still thriving. You had to actually DO something to get your gold rather than pay $$ which kept the market on its feet and far from the clusterflop that it is today.
WoW tokens will do nothing but harm as evident by retail, it did not stop botting if anything it made it worse.
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People already trade gold. The difference with tokens is that Blizzard gets the revenue instead of China. You either support Blizzard by having tokens, or you support China by not having tokens. This is why I’ve advocated for tokens since before classic even launched. People trolled me as usual, but now we have boosting which is considerably worse.
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No it didn’t make the game pay to win. Buying gear, buying rating, doesn’t make you a good player.
And nearly everything you refer to as pay to win all ready exists in classic in the form of GDKP’s and black market gold buying. Which apparently, in your mind is better than tokens. I have news for you. It isn’t. It’s much worst.
Your entire position is immature. You have no concept of what you’re even talking about. It’s mostly based on how you ‘feel’, or what you perceive to be happening. But in reality, you’re entirely clueless.
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Let’s see the flaws you can get like 3 pces of 226 gear from the AH depending on your class and stat priority. Glad it happens but not as often as you seem to think it’s more for people getting higher cr for better gear. In TBC doesnt work that way. You cant get carried to glad in the same sense because it requires end of the season % as in you get 2400 but glad is 2420 youndont get glad. I don’t think you know what p2w is.
Honestly all I think would happen is that Blizzard would make the money from gold buying instead of bots if they add in the token. I would imagine that demand would stay relatively similar, the only difference is that it’s easier to buy gold and Blizzard makes the money. I feel like the economy would stay relatively similar. People that really want to buy it are going to buy I regardless.
Therefore idc one way or the other if they add in the token. But this is just mah thoughts.
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Now that I stopped to think about it, if I remember correctly, my understanding of how tokens work, you aren’t even buying gold from Blizzard.
From my understanding you buy a token from the store, and blizzard tells you you’ll get x amount of gold when someone buys your token. Then you get that much gold when someone buys your token. The gold doesn’t come from blizzard but from the player buying your token.
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