Fancy that. In another thread that is now deleted (thank god), I was told by a Male Human Paladin that Blood Elves are not High Elves!
They never have talking points. Engaging with them is the definition of pointless. All they do is repeat “Alliance race” while ignoring all evidence to the contrary and calling names.
Joyeus is the very definition of a troll. Wide berth, brother, give it a wide berth.
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By their very nature all blood elves are high elves…
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but they failed to take the city, and didn’t attack their people again.
are you a moron?
I don’t think it’s right
but races in Warcraft have always treated each other as a whole rather than potential individuals
damn man, grow up
stating a fictional universe’s rules and how their people behave doesn’t mean you agree with the bloody behavior
yes they are, and no one is claiming that they’re not
however
they weren’t troops, they were cannon fodder stripped of the ability to go against anything
arthas outright paraded sylvanas around as proof of his power
no one was under the impression that sylvanas betrayed the city
forsaken are not scourge, and silvermoon more than any others know this because one of their generals was openly paraded around as evidence that when they fall they will server…whether they like it or not
you genuinely are an idiot
i never said it didn’t apply to orcs, i said it didn’t apply to freaking mind controlled individuals
the leader of the forsaken IS a damn high elf that was incapable of doing anything but striking her own people down
after fighting extremely fiercely against the forces and giving the high elves as a whole hope that the city couldn’t fall
no, no isn’t.
arthas was a human fully in control of his actions
as was garithos
as was the kirin tor when they chose to go along with him
and as for the orcs?
the high elves got no help from the alliance during the siege, they felt abandoned and left the alliance
a few short years later a crown prince of the alliance runs their city through…then as they are trying to recover their prince is imprisoned by the remnants of the alliance
and while it’s unfair to hold arthas as a beacon of humanity…that’s how races in azeroth work
and Garithos was in charge of the alliance military, and even if you believe he was “rogue” NO ONE in the alliance sought to stop his extermination efforts
just as during and after the purge of dalaran there was no consequence for jaina slaughtering their people
atleast not publically where the elves could see it
yes, yes there was.
and you keep acting like sylvanas was some nobody that lost the respect of the elves when she died, she was a damn hero that got forced to serve with no ability to resist
the ONLY conflict that would cause issues is their war with the trolls being ancient war with the amani, a different tribe of trolls
and the short lived siege with the orcs…who one of their heros that held the line and was considered key in it’s defense was working with and had (at the time) not shown any aggression
- they never made peace with the Amani, just tribes that aren’t allied with the amani and denounce them
- the orcs failed where the humans didn’t, after abandonment and again…a crown prince running them through not as some mind controlled undead but as the sole leader of the enemy forces
who would you join…the side that tried and failed to seige your city and is no longer aggressive to you
or the side that less than 20 years ago was perfectly fine with letting one of their generals executed you for not dying like you were supposed to?
they’re really not comparable events
esp when in their eyes you’ve already shown that if there is a time of need you’ll turn your back on them
unlike those “evil orcs” that while they beseiged their city atleast had the appearance of coming to the defense of their allies
including a former general that was key to the defense of silvermoon
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I’m okay with your point that they’re the same. The big gaping hole in that i want them to fill is adding the customization options to boot. If Ion wants Helf fans in the Horde, then give them what a Helf is supposed to be.
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Undead is not a race, undead is a status.
Said prince was an undead human.
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So… back to Vanilla? because that’s where we were in vanilla.
not really, alot of it was segregated but the issue at that point was more that most content wasn’t fleshed out
the game was designed around grinding and not the actual story
And our story at that point was that Thrall’s Horde wasn’t at active war with the Alliance, but we had flashpoints where skirmishes were still happening, some unsanctioned, some of which Thrall turned a blind eye to because we needed resources.
I wasn’t necessarily referring to you, Talendrion. 
No need to get your knickers in a twist.
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Expanding the afterthought in chronicles confirms my previous statement to the guy i was responding to, calling his story a massive retcon. Thanks for confirming. It wasn’t in game at the time, which is what i was saying.
no, it was deteriorating and horde were actively engaged in various efforts with the alliance
moreover practically all horde storylines revolved around the alliance
Many of your points are indeed reflected and supported by dialogue in game. During the Blood elf heritage quest Lor’themar iterates that he, and the blood elves would never forget the sacrifice Sylvanas made for the sake of their survival, and for her to be used as a weapon against her own people broke all of their hearts. They did not blame her for what happened, but instead revered her as a hero of Quel’thalas.
Flavor text from within Silvermoon can be found among citizens blaming the Alliance for the actions of Arthas, stating that their very own prince led the assault on their lands. Suggesting that the Blood elves hold the Alliance personally responsible for his actions.
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Uhhhh, no?
compelling argument, untrue but “compelling”
I’m sorry I didn’t provide an argument for something’s absence?
Most of them weren’t about the Alliance though, I dunno where you’re getting that from.
/nod
the high elven culture is preserved in quel’thalas by the blood elves. its their culture. it is now a part of the horde. if you want to play a high elf proper the horde is waiting
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“When Arthas raised her as a banshee and turned her against Quel’thalas, it broke all our hearts… I’ve had my share of disagreements with Sylvanas… but I will never forget her sacrifice. She was the ranger-general of Silvermoon. Nothing will ever change that.”
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I don’t know why people have such a hard time understanding this. The same High Elves from pre WoW is the Blood Elves and the Void Elves. One just changed their name to honor their fallen brethren and the other turned purple.
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Can we please let this one die? Ion has been quite clear on the issue. Plus we already have 4 sub-sets of gosh darned Elves. How about Furbolgs and Orges next? Still want my Murlocs and Naga too. Actually different species! What a shock.
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