This is actually true. They don’t see the other races of the Horde being as equal to there kins, but they do look at the Horde as being Allies.
EDIT: I think the reason to them being Allies with the Horde had to do with the story after the destruction of Quel’Thalas after the Third War.
You call that passion?
Boy… go play Nier: Automata, and see what a story with passion looks like even if everyone ends up badly.
This looks like cheap fanfiction a middle schooler would come up with… and considering how much Anduin is being sanctified… this is even more accurate.
Not quite, shadiness in this context involves affecting external elements, like, well, the Horde.
Sounds good to me, Alliance should totally ignore the Horde.
Prepares some blight canisters
Last time the Horde tried to flee from the Alliance to find its own place, the humans hunted them down…
I like stories moving forward… in a proper cohesive manner.
going to keep being wrong and treating yourself as right eh?
Palestinians and Israelis don’t have the same biology, beyond that they’re both members of the human race
they don’t share beliefs, they don’t share cultures, they don’t share biology
they share a geographical region and that’s it
it’s a great deal different than two opposing factions within the same basic group
you keep comparing things to the split that don’t even remotely fit into the narrative you’re trying to drive
the only difference between the Sin’dorei and the Quel’dorei is that they live in seperate areas (atm) and don’t agree on where their people were going/went
you’re not a different race than your parents because you got into a fight and moved out for a few years
you don’t stop being a race/group because you got upset with the way china is run and moved away for a few years while keeping the same traditions and beliefs as those back home
under such a system the term would mean literally nothing
You know, when you put it like this, you make it sound like you just want another useless war to continue.
We have gone in story from the Horde and Alliance fighting each other to Alliance and Horde working together to the same thing over and over again.
I don’t want another war. I want no more faction conflicts. In my personal fanfiction world, the Alliance and Horde are bound to their own continents and team up for global threats, but they have their own camps well removed from the other, with little mixing. Only mercenaries or neutral factions between them. They might work together against the same enemy, but would have different objectives and battlefields.
horde on kalimdor doing their own thing
alliance on EK doing their own thing
not really getting along…but not really acting agaianst each other either
then teaming up when bad guy #2181320 steps forth to destroy azeroth
then going back to their not a war but not a friendship relationship
two factions but no real interaction
potentially with small unsanctioned skirmishes happening here and there to keep the PvP aspect alive…but otherwise just…not around each other much
2 stories for 2 factions with nearly no overlap
So, what does this mean for the Blood Elves or the Draenei? Since there homes are on the opposite continents to the faction that they are apart of?
Glad we’re on the same page here 
Ok, you have completely lost me here.
A bunch of posts further up I wrote how I’d fix WoW. Long story short, full reboot, go back to vanilla, reshuffle the factions. Horde (Orcs, Trolls, Tauren, Goblins), Alliance (Humans, Belves/Helves, Dwarves, Gnomes), and two neutral factions (Nelves and Forsaken). Add in a mercenary faction option for people to get out of being the Hero of the story by not being in the Horde or Alliance.
With that set-up, Horde is on Kalimdor, Alliance is on the Eastern Kingdoms, and the two would only intermingle when facing those global threats like the Scourge or Ahn’Qiraj.
Just to go on a bit further with the idea.
The Horde would have a story focused on building itself and establishing an identity for each race as well as the Horde as a whole. It’d emphasize a feeling of brotherhood and mutual respect. Thrall might be the Warchief, but he’d hold gatherings of Horde leaders every full moon or new moon or whatever makes symbolic sense, and all the leaders of the Horde would speak of the troubles facing their peoples, and offering one another assistance.
The Alliance would have a story rife with political intrigue and shadow wars. An example I gave was the idea of Garithos still being alive, having asserted himself into a position of authority over the living survivors of Lordaeron, and possibly having the Scarlet Crusade as his personal elite force, conducting brutal operations which, on the surface, support allies in the Alliance, while in reality, undermine the authority of other nations. An example was a riot in Stormwind which some noble manages to resolve peacefully, and the Scarlet Crusade comes in, slaughters all the unarmed rioters, and then hauls off the ringleaders of the riot for the Scarlet Inquisitors to question in the Stockades. He has people then move through Stormwind, singing the praises of the crusade ending the riot, making himself popular. He’d likewise support the Defias covertly, so that not only do Lordaeron refugees think twice about settling in Stormwind, but some Stormwind citizens think they might have a better life joining the Lordaeron Resistance.
no idea, not my idea to seperate the factions entirely
but
under the new peace agreement the Draenei (specifically with the help of the LF and the naaru) and the blood elves agree to a pact to exchange lands
the LF and naaru over the course of an expansion stay stationed in and around the isles turning it into a “new” version of Quel’thalas as the elves build a city (that we slowly come together as the patches go forward)
while at the same time the ship has it’s repairs finished and is moved to where silvermoon currently stands
each city gets a much…much needed revamp, hopefully including flying
while both factions are pushed towards their respective factions continent
if the naaru “loan” power to essentially charge wards it acts as a better defensive position for the BE and the Draenei will go with whatever the elves say
just slip in that it was a part of the prophecy that wasn’t to come until a queen of the damned fell or something
that the dranei would assist in moving the sunwell to a more secure location so that the naaru who died for it’s salvation did not do so in potential vain
at the same time the alliance (and specifically magni and the naaru) work towards cleansing undercity creating another faction hub
while the undead get a neutrel treatment and get moved into a city near silithus to act as a bulwark against the potential for more invasions by the silithid
with both factions sending “tributes” from their dead every so often to ensure that the new wall against it stays strong
the night elves move into where zul gurub was located…with azeroth herself feeding the tree to growth and instead of aspect blessings the horde and alliance send their more powerful magi, shamans etc to do create barriers against corruption
with those casters (for a time) being straight up empowered by both elune and azeroth to create an unbreachable defense (assuming the void doesn’t come through the star entirely)
In my personal ideal world, that wuild allow the blood elves to establish a better floating city that would eventually bring down Dalaran… but then again, I don’t like Dalaran and I think it should go the way of the dinosaurs (but not Azeroth ones, tho, since they still exist).
But then you’re asking for the story to go somewhat backwards. And putting Night Elves nuetral isn’t such a good idea since the Night Elves actually have been with the Alliance longer than the Orcs being on Azeroth.
There wasn’t a need for nelves to be Alliance, though. In WC3, they were equal to the combined might of the Alliance and Horde forces on Kalimdor. They easily could’ve been their own faction. Besides, putting them on the Alliance de-fanged them. They turned into purple helves.
the kaldorei have only been a part of the alliance since the third war, when their isolation was broken by those fleeing the orc invasion
i don’t agree with making them neutral though, no faction should be.
they basically are…
the kaldorei as we know them were the common born of their race
the highborne/high elves were the upper class
both versions of elves were defanged to suit the MMORPG setting rather than being the extremely violent and xenophobic people they were prior
there’s alot of differences, but things like their isolationist nature, their violent tendencies, long life etc are all shared among them
even if they’re not on good terms and haven’t been for a long long time
Night Elves/Nightborne have been an existing race longer than the Blood Elves/High Elves after they evolved from being Highborne. Even in the Surumar introduction cinematic, it even said, 10,000 years ago, Surumar was the jewel of the Night Elven Empire.
As for the Highborne/High Elves…
When the night elves adopted druidism, they outlawed the practice of arcane magic. The use of its dangerous powers was punishable by death. However, many Highborne loyalists of Queen Azshara survived the Sundering and grew restless. They suffered from magical withdrawal, and 7,300 years before the invasion of the Horde through the Dark Portal, they spoke against Malfurion Stormrage and the Druids.
Dath’Remar Sunstrider, the leader of this movement, declared the druids cowards for refusing to wield the arcane. Malfurion and the druids warned the Highborne that any use of magic would be punishable by death. Yet, in an attempt to protest the druid’s law, Dath’Remar and his followers unleashed a terrible magical storm upon Ashenvale.
The druids could not bring themselves to put so many of their kin to death, so they decided to exile the reckless Highborne from their lands. Sunstrider and his followers boarded a number of specially crafted ships and set sail upon the seas. By now the Highborne were glad to be rid of their conservative cousins and free to practice the arcane with impunity.
None knew what lay beyond the Maelstrom, but they eventually found the Eastern Kingdoms and formed their own magical realm. They abandoned the concepts of Elune and nocturnal activity, embracing the sun instead. They would soon become known as the high elves.
source: https://wow.gamepedia.com/High_elf#Exile_of_the_Highborne
i find it amusing that one of the crtiques some make of blood elves on the horde is that it is ‘poorly written’ or doesnt make sense (despite the groundwork for them leaving the alliance and joining the horde being explained in wc3 and tbc. poorly written appears to mean ‘contrary to fantasy stereotypes’) yet those same critics throw out alternative paths such as the draenei, victims of an attempted genocide by the horde, putting that all behind them to make nice with orgrimmar
Imo, but their defanging has nothing to do with them being on the Alliance, but all to do with the fact that they seem afraid of making the Alliance aggressive and thus, questionable.
They did the same with the worgen until Legion and that is still being justified.
Either they dont’ like them on the Horde because they dont want something pretty on it, or they’re alliance helfer hopefuls who are jealous. I’m sure there might be other reasons but the none of them are based on any facts about ‘poor writing’. Because the writing and the story and the game that put Blood/High elves on the Horde has been successful and as a Horde player I love it.
Which brings us back to the hypocrisy of saying it’s not the same with Orcs then, who also attacked and burned half of Quel’thalas.
Yet you think it’s fair to blame humanity as a whole for an undead prince leading undead. Again, the hypocrisy.
But again, you are okay with blaming humanity as a whole for one Prince’s actions. Seriously this is all just a huge moral dissonance where you justify one side’s actions over the other.
But of course the orcs are not guilty of following Blackhand into burning Quel’thalas and nor are the Forsaken for being Arthas’ troops. Such moral relativism.
The sheer hypocrisy of making this statement but saying it doesn’t apply to Orcs and Forsaken.
Here’s the point you are misunderstanding; I don’t blame the Forsaken, but by the same parameters, blaming Humanity for Arthas’ actions is as stupid. You are the one making leaps in logic to justify a choice as the absolute right one.
You are the one that is taking a though decision the Blood Elves had to make and saying they didn’t had one. Whether this is because you don’t want them to be wrong, or simply because you don’t get that’s not an issue of right or wrong, but choices, with consequences. You need the simplicity of saying “this was the correct.”
I mean, you two are literally missing the point I’m making in your fear of persecution.
Like I literally said nothing about Blood Elves being Horde as poorly written; because I don’t believe so; I like them on the Horde.
But Fire lies, as usual, and then some poor sap continues on that like of thought as if was even something mentioned and not wholesale out of Fire’s imagination.
And what really sucks is, even as someone who likes that Blood Elves are Horde, if you show the slightest criticism of the notion that “Blood Elves had no choice but”, you get misconstrued by people like Fire as being against Blood Elves on the Horde.
It’s tiring to try to have a conversation and have people with no comprehension ability just jump the gun and not even bothering to understand your point and just use it as a springboard to another inane rant.
Cause really, I was literally talking about how Blood Elves had a choice whether which faction to join as either side had pros and cons and neither was the “obvious one”, without making a value judgement on it -because I play both sides- but being critical of the notion that the choice wasn’t one because somehow the Alliance’s crimes against the Blood Elves were unforgivable, yet the Horde’s ones get a pas, as if what not a matter of point of view.
But no, instead I get a senseless response about “poorly written” when I made no such claims, nor is what I believe. But if you are pro High Elf, then it MUST mean you are anti Blood Elf, right?