You got caught in your own knot, you’re wrong, and either way you argue the Alliance has done something wrong either subjectively (your point) or objectively (invasion). We’re good.
Apparently they don’t, meaning they broke their own rules and by their own standards did wrong. Confirmed. By you yourself. No, don’t go back now, this is funny.
This all is what happens when you reach just a little too hard.
Ah, okay, now I see your point of view. In this case, yes, you’re right! The nelves, by their own view, were invading Quel’Thalas, which should, in their view, be the rightful land of the belves.
Assuming they had any intent to remain there long-term and were not simply conducting research and investigation, AKA, spying. I’d suppose the Moonwell would count towards evidence of long-term residency. They don’t plop those down for no good reason.
Very good sir, I concede the point of invasion! Doesn’t stop the belves from being as hypocritical.
Where has anyone said that? And I mean, said it the way you have said it?
Only because you’re failing to understand that the Horde is their people now.
I usually recommend not responding to someone using far right catchphrases.
I am trying to find out the real source of where a dev, or retired dev has said that they were mainly added to horde to boost player participation?
I’m pretty sure it’s headcanon
You’re injecting narrative, at no point do i remember other elves going “F you Kael’thas and silvermoon!” In Wc3. The way it looked was Kael had a group of elves that were struggling, he took them along with him to follow Illidan. If i’m wrong feel free to link a nobbel video of wc3 to clarify.
Lightforged male mage?
It’s like a double rainbow!
true, but that’s not how races in azeroth view things
if you are X you represent all of X
yeah…mindless undead that didn’t have a choice and didn’t appear to have the same tendencies once they’re freed
it’s blaming the actions of slaves for that of their master
even though they’re literally mind controlled (something that everyone knew even as the scourge was burning the forests)
and Garithos, and it’s not my logic…the Warcraft universe has fairly consistent behaviors on things like this
but again, master that is 100% in control of slaves…to the point where rebellion is physically impossible
vs 2 humans fully in control of their actions decimating (or trying to) their population
because they aren’t.
even in WC3 the undead/scourge were shown to be mindless, their free will stripped
in pretty much any situation where mind control is involved we don’t blame the mind controlled for the actions
because it’s a stupid thing to do
Garithos was the leader of the remmnents of the kingdom, not a rogue element
and arthas was the crown prince, sure he went off the deepend
but the nature of warcraft is that everyone blames an entire race for the actions of a few, or for that matter entire factions for the actions of a subset of it
players and npcs alike
no they didn’t, again the scourge is mindless, when the forsaken were part of the scourge not a single one had any will over their actions…even those who were powerful enough to know what they were doing couldn’t STOP anything
moreover the leader of those forsaken is the ranger general that died defending Quel’thales and was loyal to an extreme degree
then was seen to have her will forcefully taken from her as she turned on her own people
LOL, says the guy that blames the mind controlled for their actions
French are not English are not Chinese, but they are all still human.
no they’re not, they’re both distinct ethnic groups, cultures, language, even they way they dress differs
and were before the “original” freaking fall of the kingdom of Jerusalem
and just an FYI, isreali is a nationality, not a ethnic group/race
now maybe you mean jews…which you may want to be aware that being a jew also doesn’t require anything resembling biology
it is an ethnic religion, some share a similar biology, many do not.
nah i got the expac wrong, i didn’t “misremember facts” as you’d clearly be able to tell from the purge reference
my only point before y’all went off was that there is no racial difference between Sin’dorei and Quel’dorei
and that due to historical and recent affairs with the alliance have no reason to join them
void elves are stupid, but atleast they’re different.
the void is all corrupting and maddening…it affects body and mind
they’re the same basic race sure, but that won’t last a particularly long time as nothing stands against the void
just as nothing stands against the light
trying to overpower the most primal and vicious of elements is a losing situation
Oof… big oof.
Also, I should point out the contradiction of the fact that you were defending the invasion with the purpose of spying on the blood elves right after you were asking for more complex, more morally ambiguous storylines for the Alliance and essentially proved me right when I said Alliance players wouldn’t be able to handle those without trying to whitewash it… in your case going so far as to claim Liadrin is a leader of anything and that her words somehow are some sort of standard.
Thank you.
Because WC3 focused on the High elves that decided to honor their fallen, they expanded on the afterthough elves in Chronicles.
Maybe you didn’t read my little fanfiction on what I’d like to see earlier. Did the political intrigue and backstabbing and moral ambiguity/corruption have anything to do with the Horde? No. Why? Because as an Alliance player, I really don’t WANT to have anything to do with the Horde. I want my faction’s moral ambiguity/corruption to be from within, and contained therein.
The Horde’s suffered enough, leave it alone.
I think we simply disagree as to how much the Horde means to the Blood Elves, lore-wise. The Horde are their allies, but surely they don’t see orcs, trolls and goblins as equals to their kin. They tend to scoff as races that aren’t them lol
I did, and I replied to it, I guess you didn’t read it.
So you want the Horde treatment, but not really because in a two faction game, actions inside one side will eventually leak and affect the other, you know… just like it happened with the Horde.
And again, you want ambiguity but not too much that it might make the Alliance look bad outside of their cities walls.
Explains a lot about the whole concept of bootleg Lotr you had, really.
Oh please, you don’t care about the Horde.
Uh… no. I don’t want the Horde treatment. No one wants that. No one wants incompetent leaders who supposedly play, 220348957562034-D chess, while committing genocide and being told it’s, ‘Morally Grey.’ That’s not what anyone wants.
I want two, diverse, separate storylines for the factions. I want the Alliance’s to be one of in-fighting with political intrigue, and I want the Horde’s to be one of brotherhood and building a civilization. I want them completely divorced from one another. Not hard to understand.
Not as much as I did back when WC3 was new, I’ll grant you that. Hard to care about something that no longer exists.
But, your side claims that totally shows how loved the Horde is!
/s
Again, you want them to look intriguing but not too shady… the Alliance being shady it’s a bad thing, and you know that why it would be interesting for the Horde, for once, to save things from the Alliance (through friendship and brotherhood and friendship as if it was a shonen anime, apparently), that would be too much for you.
Even in xpacs where the conflict was close to non existant, the stories of both sides converged at some point in some way and mind you, it makes sense since they are sharing the same tiny planet.
Ugh, you’re one of those “muh true horde!”, hm?
Keep moving those goal posts
More how the Devs have a passion for writing the Horde. Poorly, but passion is passion.
For some reason you seem to be implying that shadiness is a quality that can only be present when it happens to the opposite faction. I am not. I want the Alliance to ignore the Horde’s existence with disdain. Mind you a lot of what I want is not possible with the current set-up of WoW. That’s why I want a reset for all of this to happen, a world map where the Horde is in Kalimdor, and the Alliance is in the Eastern Kingdoms. No overlap, and no conflict between the two because they aren’t even on the same landmass. Let them be independent of one another until we have to team up to face the Captain Planet villain of the week.
The Horde and Alliance are infinitely more interesting when not involved with one another.
What can I say? WC3’s story of seeking redemption, of Orcs and Trolls being more than fodder for the arrows of elves, I rather liked that. I’ll always be an Alliance player at heart, but the WC3 Horde is one I would have liked to of seen make it into WoW. Pity it never did.