You say this so confidently when skill is a massive range. Are you saying a 2600 rated player with 180 ilvl can beat anything 2599 or less? Is there a skill ceiling rating where you’re absolutely the best and can beat anyone with a 25 ilvl disadvantage? These arguments make no sense because of the massive variation in skill within the actual skill itself.
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If they have “clearly inferior skills” then why would you use an example of 2600 vs 2599 player. You make no sense.
This argument pretty much has 2 sides… the geared/twinked/fotm say skill… everyone else says gear.
I have no gear, and not FOTM. yet I say skill… You have no valid point.
We’ll use me as an example. Me vs anyone on the bg forums. I win 9 times out of 10 with equal or lesser gear. The people who complain are random bg players. Ego aside, a multi rank 1(not me) is beating every person who has commented here with a gear disadvantage. We’re not talking about a glad vs a multiglad, they aren’t complaining about gear, someone who refuses to play rated content is.
Are you saying I’m fotm and geared? I’m still very very behind, and I got my first 2200 and high warlord as shadow in 2014. To say I’m fotm is a really awful assumption. I have 6 priests.
right, ww isn’t fotm which is your current spec. And you’re also geared from last xpack and abusing how the scaling works in leveling brackets, stuck at 52.
If people want to use a completely intangible variable thats impossible to measure then expect others to call out the fact that its impossible to measure. Would an 1800 player lose to a 2600 person every single time while having a 25ilvl advantage? Does class choice come into play? If the higher geared player played a class that was much more efficient at dealing damage instantly would that make the example not count? What does “skill can beat ilvl” mean when theres so many variables that will contribute to that statement?
Are you really talking about a level 52 toon? lol omg I’m laughing.
Then post on your main.
what you talking about man. Going to call me fotm because i’m resto lol… Sham isn’t even top tier. Disc and hpals are.
Thats such a blanket statement that has no basis in reality. Theres so much more going on than just the ability to use cooldowns slightly more efficiently or position better. Class choice talent choice build choice does it not count if the skilled player gets beat repeatedly by a combusting firemage of lesser skill but higher gear?
I purge combust, doesn’t happen to me. I fade. I disperse. I know how my class works. OP is a 50+ year old random bger playing prot. If you don’t see a difference in caliber of skill there, you’re just here for the sake of arguing. It’s safe to assume half of you are clicking abilities. Random bgs and world pvp don’t require you to min max in micro gameplay as much as rbg and arena. Me right now would kill me in 2012 without dipping below 100% hp. In 2012 I was clicking as a resto shaman to 1550 in 3s on a low skill battlegroup and was still performing in random bgs. I really don’t think many of you understand the skill disparity. Not to throw shade at anyone at all, but I run a community of 500+ people with little to no pvp experience, who I try to teach. The skill difference is VERY very clear when I form these groups.
Reflect, leap, line, stun
The majority of the pvpers and people that care about the pvp that matters aka rated pvp, seem to like the system. Gear adds customization options… maybe instead of going crit/vers a player will instead go mastery/vers. Gear is never going to change these players, just give them a reason to whine about something else… the inferior player will always be the inferior players until they accept it’s them and not anything else. OP, plays a warrior in a meta where they’re at the top… still looking for reasons to complain, today it’s gear… if by some miracle they change it, he’ll complain about something else. It’s the way of people that can’t accept reality. I’m decent at the game, but I know enough to realize when I’m the issue or can sit back and critique myself. The gearing system is fine, gear in pvp is fine and is better this way.
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Your main is a 161 item level shaman that hasn’t done anything?
I have no actual main tbh
So when you say skill you’re talking about fighting brain dead people. People who would just not answer anything with anything else. This is why skill is not a good argument. Would I beat a firemage who literally stands still everytime I close the gap? Sure, but like I was saying theres is a massive amount of variation in the word skill.
It’s probably the one you have Rival on?
Now you just putting words in my mouth. I was correcting your interpretation of what the other person said.