Eh, might also help those small groups that can get the healer but no tank, and open up more combinations for delves.
You swap to bm for the moment
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Maybe ice trap will be aoe’ish, tar trap more gluey, conc multi shot’ish. Guess we will have to see as Blizzard is moving forward with it all.
If it just full frontal dmg, that will be funny watching that get balanced by Blizzard.
Easily. We have a ton of abilities to both kite and kill things before they reach you. Learn to use traps and utility shots to control the mobs. I even pull packs and just walk them around a tar trap while AOEing them down, it works just fine.
The only time I use a pet is in delves or for a big rare elite, and in that case I swap to BM anyway because it is far better at leveraging the pet.
The people cheering this change as part of their “class fantasy” of a “guy with a bow” will tell you to simply switch specs to Beasts to handle other content. That will likely be the approach you will have to take.
Their position highlights the absurdity of their “class fantasy” argument. In this thread one of the more vocal proponents of pet deletion readily admits using his pet and jumping specs as it suits him. The investment in the “class fantasy” is actually zero.
The real hang-up here is, quite literally: Occasionally having 3 seconds of downtime in dungeons. That’s it. That’s the argument for just chucking one of the fundamental attributes of the class, non-dungeon utility, and the “class fantasy” of many other players into the shredder. So that they get 3 seconds more uptime every 10-ish minutes or so.
The true hilarity will be some weeks after launch when Blizz “tunes” the spec and nerfs it into the floor for reasons, and the people arguing “class fantasy” jump to the hot meta and drop MM.
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Bringing back double tap pretty much guarantees this. I think it got to be fun for about 2 weeks in Darkshore the first time before the bat swinging got going.
Binding Double tap to Trueshot just means Aimed shot has to be junk outside the TS window so that it’s not god mode inside of it .
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Its funny, people who only do M+ or raid, are compltely metaslaves with the FOTM mentality, talking crap about “spec fantasy”.
Suddenly they care about the thematic, lore, feeling, rp and all.
Which is something that could Easily be solved by making lone wolf work like grimoire of sacrifice
But of course, that is impossible, because blizzard didn’t do it, so obviously is impossible.
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You turn on Benny Hill music and start to run in circle?
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“jumping specs”
Because i’m playing a hunter class ? Sorry that my brain isn’t smooth to the point that i can’t play multiple specs.
And especially because I wanted to compare and contrast things, rather than trying to play how i played 20 years ago and having a melt down when things start to change.
No one is impugning your ability to play any given spec. The indictment here is that any claims made about fulfilling “class fantasy” are disingenuous.
It’s clear that you’ll choose whatever spec provides the utility you need in the moment instead of “using the kit,” and the (very dismissive, sometimes aggressively mean) responses from yourself and others reinforce that they do the same. This is your play style and it’s perfectly fine.
For those players that are invested in a particular class fantasy (a pet, a gun, and distance) , these changes are destructive and affect the entirety of their play, as opposed to some small fraction of others.
This is one of the chief complaints here and in other threads; a complete and fundamental class rebuild is being put in place to address a sliver of a sliver of inconvenience for one group of players while completely upending the play style of the invested group.
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I still don’t under stand why people who went lone wolf should get bloodlust, you gave up the pet to get more dps, why should you get the pet utility too?
WTF are you even talking about here.
“More homogenized than ever” you serious? The specs are entirely different.
I don’t think MM should permanently lose the pet (give us a reverse Lone Wolf - 5% damage penalty if you have a pet), but pretending that MM needs to lose the pet to differentiate the specs is absolute insanity.
MM losing the pet allows for more cohesive theming, and the rework is a big help with that. That said, the rework can happen without the pet disappearing, and if “MM has a pet that does damage” is a balance concern, simply give MM a debuff with a pet out, so the MM+pet damage is always worse than MM without pet. That gets you the best of both worlds - cohesive spec with interesting design, no dependence on the pet for basic utility, ability to use the pet if you choose, zero reason to ever be compelled to use the pet if you don’t want to.
Because Blizzard balances MM damage around the assumption that you have Lone Wolf. They balance Hunter group utility around the assumption that you can bring Primal Rage and Master’s Call. You can’t simultaneously have the damage from Lone Wolf and the utility from a pet, meaning MM is fundamentally gimped from the moment you apply your talents, without any real recourse.
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because lust is a group buff that other members want, we can only provide it with the pet and we lose the increased DPS to get the lust pet out.
More or less, it comes down to MM hunters are tied of being froced to lose DPS to provide lust or make the choice between group dps (lust) and personal DPS (lone wolf)
MM lacking either the damage or the utility it is balanced around having is not a sliver of a sliver. It is a significant detriment to everyone who plays the spec, even if you never set foot in raid, M+, or pvp.
This much is true - there are ways to fix the utility discrepancy that would be much less disruptive to the people who like MM and pets.
yes make that choice I play all the classes and you have to make a choice with everyone more dps for me, or pick stuff to help the group
Not how it works for any other class as far as Bloodlust is concerned. Everybody else can just do it, at will, no muss, no fuss, no lost damage, no cast time.
This happened with RSV too. Blizzard makes a drastic change, we fight/argue with each other, and Blizzard ignores us all no matter which side of the fence we’re on.
Like I said earlier, I can understand the concern. However, it’s done. We have no say in it. Inform yourself about the changes and decide your path, if any, forward.
People said this during Legion beta. Lone Wolf was a talent when Legion released, due to player feedback during beta that removing pets entirely was not something they wanted.
People also said this during BfA beta. Lone Wolf was a baseline optional passive when BfA released, due to player feedback during beta that removing pets entirely was not something they wanted.
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Not goina hold my breath.