Fixing the communication by removing the forum trolls.
Don’t get me started on the new forum system.
Since I apparently wasn’t clear enough… I support guild banks being added to the game. This seems like one of the easiest, most common sense things that can and should have been done for classic, and is entirely along the lines for Blizzard’s justification of doing loot trading (though only from the perspective of the justification of attempting to curb exploitation… The loot trading issue itself, however, is different, since the proposed “fix” actually makes the problem it’s aiming to prevent worse)
I’d like to think if I where in charge Blizzard wouldn’t have lost multiple billions of dollars in market cap during the last few months… God knows they need someone in the room to tell them when they have a stupid idea without sugarcoating it. I’d have fired the person on the spot who greenlit Blizzcon’s big announcement being a Diablo mobile P2Win game that’s really just outsourced reskinned chinese garbage… and god knows how many design meeting failures had to take place for BfA to be as bad as it currently is.
I wouldn’t put Btags visible, but characters on an account would be viewable.
I’d also strongly consider removing everyone without an active sub, or at the very least everyone without a character on their account over level 60. We saw it with Clionz a while back, he’d get banned, and just spawn another new account to trash post on within an hour or so.
The fact that the current lead devs weren’t fired on the spot for WoD should tell you how little blizzard is interested in retail WoW at this point. When a lead dev says we know this decision is going to be very unpopular and it ends up costing millions of subs and nothing is done about it…
My favorite Blizzard anecdote that sums up their company of late:
WoD beta: it is discovered that with the stat squish, that the relative power of trinkets made them roughly 3x stronger than every other racial in the game, when compared to EMFH in pvp.
Holinka does nothing, and lets the issue go live in WoD retail, and stay live until over 66% of the entire pvp ladder was JUST HUMANS.
He was not fired going into the start of Legion, where WPvP with legendary effects was the most hilariously broken crap I’ve ever seen, numerous terrain exploits by Demon Hunters made it live (I found no less than 6 in my first 15 min on Legion beta, 5 of which went live) and PvP was generally among the worst ever encountered in the history of the game…
But the system is set up to allow them to hide.
So how do you do that? Throw more people at the problem instead of just not allowing them to hide by fixing the system?
Great you just added 3 full shifts of CS to baby sit the forums.
Btags on our avatars could instill a sense if community.
Honestly before the forum change it seemed like the classic forum community had more community than it does now.
There used to be a lot of the same posters here.
Now the faces change and people grow new skin.
It’s like the forums are sharded.
Having your name represent you as a member of this community is one of the reasons people want Vanilla community.
You are accountable for your actions. You can’t just name change your rep away.
These forums should be the same way with our btags.
I’m with you 100% here. This was like walking into a lions den in a bloody steak suit.
What could go wrong?
Yet these are gamers making games for gamers? Omeglul
PCMR console peasants and mobile serfs bow down to your betters!
I’d agree with this. It’s really a non-issue imo. If they want to add it later, so be it. But they should just create the game they intended for a start.
Circular logic? If you want to call it that, I can’t stop you.
Hypothetically, let’s say that you had listed what you consider your “counters” as “arguments” for guild banks FIRST and Farrah had listed her “arguments” as “counters” to your “arguments”, would you not say that your “arguments” also countered her “counters”?
I just don’t see someone who plays BFA content as someone who has classic development’s best interest at heart. Usually they’re a little butt hurt that it’s being developed at all.
This thread feels like it’s made to have ppl admit a yes answer because they would still want to play, and show that therefore it’s okay. Which is rather insidious.
It’s not full btags though. No numbers so good luck trying to figure out the number afix. LOL
Also in diablo 3 your btag is on your toons as well.
I’ve seen no where near the amount of trolling in that forum or game as I have this one.
Even a few years ago when it was more popular.
I think that is because your rep matters. Just like in Vanilla or so a lot here keep saying.
It really is a deterrent from being a complete piece of excrement.
Hypothetically if that were true it would be a stalemate.
Logic dictates a compromise as neither side is clearly “correct”.
Or a duel to the death with both sides choosing a champion and agreeing winner gets their way. Hypotetically ofc.
So again, hypothetically.
Logic needs to be used to sort out what is kept from both sides and what is given up from both sides.
Hypothetically in the case of guild banks it seems logic woud dictate adding them with a sky high cost and so many restrictions only the hardcore elite will have them as a status symbol.
Making them the guild equivalent of a player in full t3.
Which would make them even more butt naked up hill both ways in knee snow in a blizzard Vanillaish sort of way. LOL
Logical compromise to this hypothetical circle jerk. I mean discussion.
So you were butthurt that classic was made while leveling that toon last year?
Get out you no good Classic hater!
You’re free to honestly answer no all you want.
You just know it’s not true. Same as 99.9% of the people who will play classic.
Im sure there are a few who would hold onto their ideals and not play if they were added.
I could easily ask would you play Classic if guild banks weren’t added as well. Only difference is that one option deters people from coming back when they realize it isn’t Classic and the other is just there to satisfy people who more than likely still play retail so why bother catering to somebody who already pays?
I’ll answer honestly no I wouldn’t play Classic seriously if they were in because I want a chance to play classic WoW which won’t be possible if it keeps getting things added in that weren’t there. If they are going to keep changing it then I’m not interested. To say it is only because of guild banks would be dishonest, but I’d be lying if I said they wouldn’t contribute.
Just for my clarification: How are we defining what Classic is? Is it the experience/feeling/spirit, the mechanisms through which that experience was delivered, both or something else totally?
I seem to remember having read someplace that Blizzard was planning on releasing content in bunches over a period of time. Why not launch the game without them, see how it goes and, if needed, include them as part of a content bundle?
I propose this for a specific reason. This is the the first time that WoW will exist as a static universe. In other words, there will come a point where there is no gear replacement as old Vanilla gear is made obsolete by TBC gear. Sooner or later, there will be an effect downstream. Items will either begin to clog bank spots or flood the auction house, driving down prices. Gold will become more readily available with nothing to take it out of the game rather than it moving from player to player. Be it one year, two years or five years down the road, if something doesn’t happen Classic will become a watered down mess.
I’m not advocating guild banks as the ultimate solution, but I am saying that at some point serious discussions will likely be needed over how to progress.
It would be “a stalemate” if your “arguments” were stated first and Farrah “countered” them with her arguments, but because you posted your arguments second, it’s a “slam dunk win for guild banks”?
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