I think you guys need a reality check and should play WotLK classic. The game was incredibly slow and boring in every single class and role.
The game design has been incredible, fast paced, and fun since Legion because we have these expansion powers that change the gameplay every expansion
Gameplay means nothing if people aren’t playing.
Think the problem with talent trees is the same as making these systems permanent. They just keep building up over time and become unmanageable.
It’s all just different interfaces for trinket powers, tier set buffs, and talent tree options. Whether I turn it on by selecting it in a talent tree, equipping a piece of gear, or some expansion specific interface, it’s the same thing just with a different skin.
And those things either stay static or they don’t. And if they stayed static, i.e. existing spell rank X+1 and new tier gear, same powers as the last expansion, what do you think the players response would be?
it will have borrowed power. Casuals have to be easily boosted back to a caught up state. they are too casual to be allowed to fall behind.
it’s you or them, boddy.
“Meaningful choice?” 
Talent systems can absolutely be interesting and engaging.
Yes it is. And you ignored how some specs got gutted when our talent were taken out after the weapons were destroyed.
And they don’t have to if done correctly.
I’m not sure I entirely agree with that, but it might just be my rose-colored glasses talking. I feel like my Frost DK tank was the fastest I’ve ever moved through a dungeon, but again, nostalgia.
naw. wod and mop did it best
just 1 cape or a ring that you can keep upgrading by just playing the game
A lot of people were playing , not everyone went oo kung fu panda I’m not playing that .
It had it’s faults like every single expansion but it still had a large player base and had some of the best if not the best game play in the game as far as a good number of the classes/specs were concerned .
They lost any sort of credibility when they removed both of those things.
We are talking about legion enjoyment (so between August 30, 2016 to morning of July 17, 2018). Not bfa pre-patch.
Pfft, just no. How about you compare Shadowlands to MoP instead and then get back to me. Nobody likes having to grind for their power set. This has been made clear repeatedly the last six years.
More people played MoP than BFA or Shadowlands. So again, dumb argument.
No. Modern Blizzard developers are just lazy. Stop making excuses for mediocrity.
WoW’s never was. Diablo can alter gameplay much more liberally because you aren’t competing with other players like you are in WoW.
It very well could be that you moved fast, however, every single class was just spam your Volley/Rain of Fire/Blizzard/Whirlwind type spells while tank afks and takes 0 damage because you didn’t need interrupts, movement, healing, or CC in WotLK dungeons. It was mind numbing
I love systems. But the kind of systems that don’t require constant upkeep to advance player power. Give me all the horizontal content systems that don’t have player power involved. Increasing player power should come from quests, pvp, raids, and dungeons. Any player power system outside of that just creates barriers.
The dopamine hit when you got the legendary cloak was certainly something else. It was such a massive upgrade that I don’t know if i’ve ever gotten an upgrade since that was just singularly so game changing.
Ah, I understand. And agree!
As I recall, that’s why Cata dungeons hit everyone like a sack of bricks to the face. CC? In a dungeon? Madness!
Down down she goes
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This is not a defense of wrath either mind you. The literal flatlining of subs at launch is a sign of equal parts leaving and going.
i came back to WoW in Legion. I was doing a dungeon as tank and I asked the mage to sheep a mob.
he replied “Why?”.
The cloak or the ring from WoD both felt rewarding because you worked on them over time to make them powerful . Legendaries since Legion even the ones in SL feel like Orange is the new Purple.
Chad mage
Just kill it faster and it won’t be a problem
sounds … boring.