If Blizzard offered both sharded and unsharded servers

[Fesz-cenarius]

I could point out all the specific aspects about retail I hate and why lumping me in as a “typical r3t4il pLaYuR” is wrong, but you wouldn’t care, so why bother. Like I said, around these parts, literally liking anything about retail is taboo.

Liking things about retail is not taboo.

Requesting those retail things to be added to Classic, though, is another matter.

[Akaidian-earthen-ring (Akaidian)]

I get that. I’d love balance changes to be added because I’d really prefer ret, but I’ve already accepted being a walking demi-god called warrior as my fate if I want to raid as plate melee.

However, I’ve definitely not requested sharding. I’ve simply said that if it exists or if we have a choice, I’ll take whatever choice more closely aligns with my desires.

[Mogar-stormrage (Mogar)]

Meh, I don’t judge why someone wants to play the game. If all he wants to do is raid, that’s up to him. Plenty of people will have that goal.

I look at it from Blizzard’s perspective. Is this the kind of player Classic should be catered to? Is this who it’s meant to appeal to? The same raid or die mentality that permeates the Current WoW? If people want to raid, they’re going to raid. But it’s the players who want to bask in the 1-59 content that are disillusioned. The people who want community and social interaction at the forefront. That needs to be the target audience for Classic. And sharding drives those people away.

[Akaidian-earthen-ring (Akaidian)]

Unfortunately all of those aspects (true sense of community, etc) are unobtainium. They won’t ever be recreated in the facet those players want. Classic will ultimately be people who enjoy the leveling of classic spattered with the elitist community of today, coupled with the elitist community of the pservers. The lackadaisical and whimsical vanilla experience that was player-made won’t exist. It can’t with how the gaming community is en-masse now.

[Mogar-stormrage (Mogar)]

Behold the power of negative thinking.

But to some extent I understand what you’re saying. If players carry over their philosophy, attitude, and expectations from BfA, then it’ll create a similar environment. Which is why my primary goal is to break people of that habit. Unlearn what they have learned, and accept Classic for what it is and embrace the experience. If people free their minds in such a way, it opens the way for a truly different experience.

[Akaidian-earthen-ring (Akaidian)]

Behold the power of ignoring the statistically likely reality…

Only in today’s world is acknowledging statistical likelihood that is seen as an undesirable outcome considered “negative”. It’s realistic; just because the outcome of that is negative to you doesn’t mean it’s actually negative to acknowledge it’s likelihood of occurring.

Also, good luck with that “need to break people of this thinking.” Won’t happen, and I don’t like people who try to alter the attitudes of others. Let them be who they are naturally. You don’t deserve to tell them how to think and feel.

[Mogar-stormrage (Mogar)]

You keep using this word statistical. I do not think it means what you think it means.

[Akaidian-earthen-ring (Akaidian)]

What’s more likely? The game suddenly roping in millions of players who have never experienced wow classic before or the game still being irrelevant to new players and won’t get a second glace, being relegated to pulling from people who signed the petition (which I did btw), current active players who will dabble, and the pserver community?

Pretty obvious as to what the answer is to me.

[Galdor-maelstrom (Galdor)]

The same raid or die mentality that permeates the Current WoW?

Uhhhh, you don’t even get the best gear by raiding anymore.

[Gnocci-emerald-dream]

I could point out all the specific aspects about retail I hate and why lumping me in as a “typical r3t4il pLaYuR” is wrong, but you wouldn’t care, so why bother. Like I said, around these parts, literally liking anything about retail is taboo.

I really couldn’t care less what you dislike about retail. Fact is, wanting elements that allow or encourage rushing through content in order to get to the end is a HUGE part of the retail mindset. Sorry if your feels are bruised by having that opinion stomped on.

[Akaidian-earthen-ring (Akaidian)]

You seem to think that people won’t be rushing in classic just to get to end game. You seem to be under the impression that didn’t already happen in classic back in the day.m It is, will be, and always has been a prevalent mindset. Just because it wasn’t as large proportionally back then doesn’t matter.

[Matcauthon-steamwheedle-cartel (Matcauthon)]

I stated my reasoning. Classic is an unfinished business machine for me. I played the rest of vanilla and have lukewarm desire to re-experience it. Has nothing to do with retail mindset, but go ahead and keep throwing labels if it makes you feel better about instantly invalidating my opinion.

Sucks for you that blizz sided with me this time in this regard.

One more time just to be clear: The only reason I want to play classic is to go back and finish all the raids I never got to. The rest of it is irrelevant to my desire. End game is the only game I care about.

actually blizzard hasn’t sided with anyone yet. they are merely considering. furthermore they have said that if they do use, it will be for limited time only to handle launch.

therefore you won’t be able to use it to cheese your way through the entire leveling process.

[Akaidian-earthen-ring (Akaidian)]

I never said I would. Past the initial huge pop zones, I won’t need sharding to power level, so if all they do is use it on starting zones temporarily, it will still serve my intended purpose. Again, not super concerned if they decide not to, but given the option, I will be doing whatever best facilitates my “get to 60 asap” goal. This is effectively going to be my push at pserver elitist mentality.

[Gnocci-emerald-dream]

I DON’T CARE that people want to rush. What I DO CARE ABOUT is making changes like sharding in order to enable and cater to it, while affecting EVERY player on the servers. How are you not undersranding the concept?

[Akaidian-earthen-ring (Akaidian)]

How are you not understanding that I’m not sitting here demanding any of this? I’m just saying I wouldn’t mind if they did do it (and they seem to be at least considering it). Why get so angry at someone who is just going to go with the flow the best way possible? Because I’m not also outraged at the purity of vanilla being potentially compromised? I never wanted nor expected that to begin with. Just “close enough”.

[Galdor-maelstrom (Galdor)]

@Gnocci-emerald-dream

I DON’T CARE that people want to rush. What I DO CARE ABOUT is making changes like sharding in order to enable and cater to it, while affecting EVERY player on the servers. How are you not undersranding the concept?

Wait, aren’t you in support of paying an additional fee for a head-start, early access to Classic? How is that not enabling or catering to a rush mentality?

@Gnocci-emerald-dream

I paid a box cost for vanilla and (as long as they do it justice) would pay one for vanilla. Tne only difference would be that those who don’t want to pay a box cost would start a day or two later.

Uhhh, yep… Doesn’t take you more than two minutes to contradict yourself.

[Gnocci-emerald-dream]

Scroll up to my original reply to you. I simply hope that blizard does not cater to the mindset.

Wait, aren’t you in support of paying an additional fee for a head-start, early access to Classic? How is that not enabling or catering to a rush mentality?

I also pointed out that a box cost was vanilla like and would assist in spreading out the population from those who choose to not pay. I then pointed out that the free players would be getting fresh servers on release day, so your argument is null. Sorry but your hot take gotcha is like a sad wet fart.

Uhhh, yep… Doesn’t take you more than two minutes to contradict yourself.

Nothing was contradicted. You may want to review what was posted and reflect on what the word actually means.

Again, you should stop with the hot takes. You are not at all good at it.

[Akaidian-earthen-ring (Akaidian)]

Fair. I suppose I don’t particularly have a care one way or the other on this issue. I’ll use it if available, but won’t lament it if it doesn’t.

[Powerwordmoo-hyjal]

Sure they will. After the initial rush of no-lifers, most people will be playing at different paces and different times.

[Fesz-cenarius]

Sure they will. After the initial rush of no-lifers, most people will be playing at different paces and different times.

Tell us all why those who are concerned only with their own convenience and/or want to play a solo game in a multiplayer environment and/or see all those other people in an MMO as nothing but obstacles in their way or random A-holes cannot wait for that “initial rush of no-lifers”, as you put it, to pass before they start playing.