Afros on undead yes (most diverse customization is much needed)
But you are letting your criticism of Sylvanas skew your takes. Calia or Nathalie to replace Sylvanas is insensitive. Neither have done as much for the Forsaken as Sylvanas has, she deserves to be the Forsaken hero.
I know but it’s too late. Sylvanas is gonna be put in a glass box like Illidan was, probably for some ridiculous future Cosmic Power Rangers plot.
If we wanted to keep Sylvanas we’d have to heavily Retcon the past 3 years.
Which I’m for! They just won’t do it.
Maybe… or this is setting up for a big restored Sylvanas moment where she’s welcomed back in the Forsaken leading to Forsaken Hetitage Armor stuff.
Even at the end of BFA the Forsaken had mostly mixed feelings and any supporters of Sylvans went underground in hiding from retaliation.
It’s going to come back up eventually. Most Forsaken refugees have vanished from Orgrimmar under everyone’s nose.
It isn’t lol
They’re gonna glass box her like Illidan in case subscribers drop drastically again like in WoD
IF, big if, if she got a real redemption story in sl…would then the horde and alliance still hunt her? i doubt it, so…in such a case, would she need to stay beyond the veil?
tbf, i´m not a fan of “Sylvanas Redemption” Story, but …it seems we drive directly toward it.
Yes because everyone is tired of the story and they know if they take her off the board and bring her back later, it would get people interested.
Same way Illidan disappeared, came back, we got Demon Hunters, and is now in a glass box again.
Sylvanas will disappear, eventually come back, we get Dark Rangers/Banshee spec/class, and then be put in a glass box again.
Remember Illidan and Sylvanas statues came out same time.
Same as the Jaina/Warchief Thrall statues.
we´ll see, if she got a real redemption, she will come back with us…
Tbh I would rather keep denizens of the Shadowlands far away from Azeroth at this point. Aside from maybe teaching Calia some cool body preservation tips to take home to Undercity, I kind of want to leave the Primus, Sin’dane and the like in Maldraxxus so I can forget about this expansion lol
Yeah that’s the goal.
We literally have two perfectly good unused Forsaken necromancers in the canon. Helcular was Kel’Thuzad’s apprentice. Gunther Arcanus is a Lich LARPing as a Normal Forsaken.
The solution is right there:
Boom.
related note, I kindly ask for a bump
“Yohohoho!”
imagine this on a forsaken T.T
I’m paying an artist this weekend to do a mockup for how Natalie Seline with her current hair would look as an undead and this beard + cesar combo would look on a Forsaken
Yeah cause after we reclaimed it we gave it back to the Horde for no reason.
Mate, you had me at:
Bump time!
Also, I really object to the fact that as it stands, Baal’s ideal arrangement for the Horde (and the Forsaken more specifically) doubles down on the extremely obnoxious pattern of “if you are undead that means that you are automatically Horde regardless of your background” that has permeated the Forsaken since Cataclysm.
And it’s weird that I seem to be the only one around here who objects to a major faction in the Horde essentially being a virus that sustains itself by co-opting parts of the Alliance.
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Yes.
That top one… wow. He fine.
The Forsaken are the free willed undead remnants of predominantly Lordaeron.
Playable humans in WoW are from Stormwind, Gilneas, and Kul Tiras.
From a story standpoint the Horde has far more claim to any and all Lordaeronian characters than the Alliance does. The Alliance gets an easter egg like Turalyon here and there, but any and all Lordaeronian undead can and should be Forsaken, as should any free willed undead who feel that being a part of a nation of their brethren is what they want.
If the Alliance gets scattered remnants of Lordaeron then the Horde should be entitled to some scattered remnants of other kingdoms, such as Derek Proudmoore.
That is is pretty much all wrong but I’m so freaking tired of having to explain the history of human lore to people on these forums. So. Tired. It never sticks.
I suppose that it’s not a surprise that the lore community would come to be overwhelmingly Horde dominant just like every other element of this game though, so it makes sense that nobody would have any knowledge of human history here, or at least not enough people to consistently correct this nonsense.
First of all hi I’m Alliance but I think the Forsaken are cool 
Secondly, I know human history. I know of Lordaeron’s importance in Alliance history. But I dispute the idea that any and all human characters must be claimed by the Alliance when the Forsaken also have a legitimate claim to Lordaeronian lands, culture, and history. In fact, I would argue they have MORE of a claim than PLAYABLE humans in World of Warcraft, leaving things like roleplay aside, where obviously you can pretend your human Paladin is from Lordaeron or Theramore or something.
I don’t even know who specifically you’re reacting to being “co-opted” into the Alliance, but I believe it is also unfair to strip the Forsaken of their Lordaeronian heritage, and I have long objected to the main face of this predominantly Lordaeronian nation being an elf. Even as someone who loves elves to bits. The only Lordaeronian hero of any real note in the Forsaken AT ALL was Nathanos Marris, who is really quite minor in the grand scheme of things. Why didn’t the Forsaken get people like Gavinrad the Dire? Even Uther the Lightbringer? They have a similar narrative to the Forsaken in that they were killed by the Scourge. Why not take it that step further? But no, instead it was all about the Banshee Queen.
If you’re referring to Calia though… At no point in WoW’s history was Calia Menethil a part of the Alliance. She was born into Alliance royalty, yes. But prior to the fall of Lordaeron, almost all Forsaken were part of the Alliance, so I don’t count that at all. After the fall of her Kingdom, entering into the WoW era, Calia had no political role whatsoever. She clearly had Alliance friends, and even arguably Alliance sympathies, but she stayed the hell away from politics for pretty much her entire exile, mostly hanging out with Alonsus Faol, an undead (and someone who should be a major part of the Forsaken in my opinion). Derek Proudmoore has an Alliance background, certainly. He actively fought in the Alliance military… decades ago. At a time when, again, every Forsaken would have also been Alliance at the time. Derek is in a new world now, in a new body. If he wants to support other free willed undead in their own nation, then I say… great! I think it’s bizarre that they even could raise him as a remotely preserved person after he was dead for so long, but hey, it happened… and I welcome him as a part of the Forsaken.
Listen, frankly, I think Lordaeronians in the Forsaken are actually UNDERREPRESENTED and have been for a very long time. A lot of Lordaeronian heroes are simply a part of the Alliance, and the Forsaken have been left with very little of their human heritage.
So, with full knowledge of human history in mind, give the Forsaken a little more because they’ve been shafted for far too long.
Adding a post on Horde me to re-emphasise the following, also.
Our view/interpretation of the story is SUBJECTIVE. Highly subjective. OP is entitled to his personal “ideal situation” scenario. It’s not really yours to “object to”. It’s not official lore.
It’s like objecting to the fact that I personally like to eat sausage rolls. Like, it doesn’t really affect you, and it’s none of your concern. OP posted what he thinks, personally, would be cool. If you object to it so hard why don’t you make your own version where everyone is kissing the Alliance rather than going on and on about it like you’re personally offended lmao.
his point is not the importance of lordaeron for the alliance, but the fact that most of stormwinds people are …no stormwind native people, you know, only 3 Shipps survived Stormwinds raiding through the hands of the orcs…3 Ships…in fact stormwind is a mix of all human kingdoms in heritage with a few “Native Stormwind” people remaining there.
its exist Lordaeron refugees there, gilneen, arathi, alterac…and the list goes on.