LOL on my old battlegroup alliance was stomped so hard in AV that they stopped queing for it, even with marks of honor ques for horde were 4 hours or more.
ICE BLOOD DEATH ZONE FTW!!!
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I mean, I’m just going to point out, that there is really only 2 maybe 3 classes that even use polearms. Hunters, warriors, and maybe druids (don’t know if they could use polearms in Vanilla as I didn’t have a high lvl druid until BC). This will by no means break Weaponsmith in any fashion.
My recollection is that polearms were added for druids in BC, but I could be wrong.
I think it was only hunters, warriors, and paladins who could equip polearms in Vanilla.
It’s going to be there they have said they are using 1.12 AV and in 1.12 AV this thing was a quest reward for winning the battleground.
Also it was indeed in the original Vanilla as a quest reward for killing Korrak I actually got my own one during that time.
Also the correct stats are:
Two-hand Polearm
155 - 233 Damage Speed 3.60
(53.9 damage per second)
+21 Agility
+13 Strength
+20 Stamina
And for the Arcanite reaper:
Two-hand Axe
153 - 256 Damage Speed 3.80
(53.8 damage per second)
+13 Stamina
Durability 100 / 100
Requires Level 58
[+62 Attack Power]
Do remember that AV is going to be added in Phase 3 so there are two full phases of IBS not being in existence and after it is then it is. Live with it.
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Weaponsmith didn’t really shine til TBC anyways. Those weapons were a “sorry bout the last bit” from Blizzard. And they, along with my horde enemies, regretted giving us such power.
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There is a crossbow later from Strat as well. Also a boe epic gun.
That Crossbow from the same quest is almost on par with Rok. The former you get by sitting in a battleground and the other requires drops from raids and an epic class quest.
I know what weapon I’m shooting for if I don’t get Rok by Phase 3!
Should we remove any other weapons while we are at it? Maybe take out Bonecrusher and Crystal spiked maul so you can feel better about your profesion?
Shooting with*
Remove Hand of Justice and Blackhand’s Breadth while we’re at it. What do you mean, a blue trinket that is BiS forever?!
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It was the year after WotLK launched that druids got the ability to use polearms. So only hunters, paladins, and warriors could use polearms.
Some of you are missing my point here. This is an itemization issue. Ice barbed spear is a catch up item specifically so you do not need to work so hard to get into raids. Before Korrak was taken out it was harder to get. With AV at 1.12 it is very easy to get AND you can get it at level 51.
Its a good item and I think it belongs in the game, but not until the very late phases of vanilla. I for one would never go weaponsmith if I could get this item at level 51.
For casual players it could take 6 months to level to 60 and farm mats to get an Arcanite reaper. No point in doing that if after 6 months you can get a free weapon that is on par. That is the issue. I would put the item in at 1.5 years. This gives everyone a chance to fully experience the leveling grind and enjoy weaponsmith. It feels really good to work towards that arcanite reaper or Hammer of the titans, but it would feel really stupid if you could just sit in av for 30 minutes and get ice barbed spear at 51.
Only three classes can use it and hunters are going to to take the crossbow.
Paladins might take it but what are they going to to use it for? It is not like they will be raiding or PvP as ret.
So, warriors. And they have a hard enough time leveling so let them have it.
After phase 3 you wont be crafting arcanite reaper due to nightfall.
Why would you ever take it over the crossbow as a hunter?
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It really doesn’t matter if it hurts weaponsmiths or not. That’s an irrelevant point if the goal of classic is to be as authentic to vanilla as you can. The item should be added to the game when AV is added to the game because that’s how it was in vanilla.
Vanilla class design and itemization was flawed in many ways. It’s not the goal of Classic to fix any of it.
https://web.archive.org/web/20051113081916/http://wow.allakhazam.com/item.html?witem=19106
there are comments as early as June 2005, which means it was in the game as soon as AV was.
You could argue that AV should launch in its original state and be changed later, but if they’re incapable or unwilling to do that, you shouldn’t modify the order of when items are available. The item was available in 1.5. Some people had it as early as 1.5. It should therefor be in the game as soon as AV is released.
edit: Also, given that 1.12 versions of items are in from day 1, there’s substantial changes to early classic itemization vs. original vanilla release already. Correct me if I’m wrong, but this spear’s stats weren’t changed the way many other items were later into vanilla, so this is actually not a meaningful change to itemization at all. The item will be exactly as it was in Vanilla throughout the entire duration of Classic. Meanwhile, items like https://itemization.info/item/11662 were actually substantially changed and we’ll be getting a 2006+ version the day Classic is released which is an actual change to itemization.
All crafting professions (armor, weapons, etc…) were semi useless most of the time. You could be fine and even better off never touching crafting professions at all. Crafting professions were only fun prior to like 1.5 or something. After that, it was more headache than benefit.
If memory serves, a lot of the theorycrafting back in the day was that while the IBS had great stats, it was still outshined completely by the AR. Warriors and Pallys were the only ones who potentially used IBS for it’s damage (hunters used it as a stat stick maybe). Regardless, Arcanite Reaper was still objectively better than IBS. IBS only made warriors and pallys who weren’t weaponsmiths a little bit more competitive. it was basically a way to make people who wanted to play Arms Warrior or ret pally not absolutely HAVE to go Weaponsmith. But if you wanted to be as optimal as possible (which most minmaxers always want to be) you still had to be a Weaponsmith and get Arcanite Reaper. But I’m not as young as I used to be and I didn’t play dps warrior back in Vanilla (I only played tank warrior and he was an alt not a main).
AR is a slower weapon and, for abilities that have procs based on weapon speed (paladins definitely), it should be better.