You’re right except it happened in both pve and pvp.
This time around it’s only pvp getting gated by a number that doesn’t even come close to mirroring how easy T4 pve is.
S3 rating should have been the model for TBC. 2050/2200 maybe for Sunwell.
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In what way is that smart? Rating requirements on gear is utterly antithetical to what PvP is about.
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How?
Arena is competitive, if they dont want to be ranked they shouldnt que ranked pvp?
Arena is SUPPOSED to be competitive. Gear disparities reduce the fidelity of that competition.
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How?
The people who cant get the gear arent in competition VS the people who can.
Gear disparities mean that skill and planning are not the only factors in deciding a match. Worse players win when they shouldn’t and better players lose when they outplayed. Perfect gear equality is not going to happen because of awful design philosophy, but the closer to perfect it is the more competitive PvP is. Every step we take away from it is bad.
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The gear is the same.
If a team is 2200 rated they will be capped on gear long before the season ends.
If a team is 2700 rated they will be capped on gear long before the season ends.
If a team is 1400 rated they will never play the above teams anyway.
Blizzard changed TBC to needing a requirement for pvp gear for a reason.
Then later on in Cata and MOP they tried it out to not need a rating and it didnt stick, so they went back to needing a rating.
Now in the last 3 xpacs you have needed a rating with Legion,BFA and Shadowlands.
I was hoping for an interesting thread. The only entertainment was watching Ali getting smacked down via a glad link and then continuing to be a dumbell.
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He’s never going to understand this point. He seems to think that the 3k rated Rank 1 gladiators that have full epic PvP gear 4 weeks into the season are going to be stomping 1400 rated kids somehow. The people without access to the Gladiator weapons are generally not going to be fighting the people with access to them except the poor bastards stuck at like 2000 rating, just shy of the cut off. The 2700 rated pros won’t be banging on the 1400 rated plebs with that monstrous gear disparity he’s eluding to and if the 1300 rated idiots do, somehow, find themselves matched up against a team 1400 rating higher than them, then I assure you, the gear disparity is the least of their concerns.
PvE gear disparity will be a bigger factor in the 1500s than PvP disparity from the rating change.
Yeah mate because these are the only three possible brackets and BGs don’t exist. There isn’t going to be a huge BS wall around the weapon rating and BGs aren’t going to be awful for non-arena players.
Blizzard changed TBC to needing a requirement for pvp gear for a reason.
That reason being they are and always have been horrible at taking care of the PvP aspect of the game.
I don’t know about that, I mean Mists PvP is pretty widely regarded as some of the most fun and well-balanced PvP the game has seen
He’s moving the goal posts. Argues about gear disparity in arena and instantly swaps over to “well those gladiators will have a gear advantage in BGs!”. Who cares about BGs? When you’re solo defending Lumber Mill and 7 Horde ride up on you it doesn’t matter what weapons you have, man. This is an arena discussion. Real PvP.
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Not moving goalposts at all. I’ve referred to PvP generally the entire time. Arenas may be more important than unrated PvP but in TBC those unrated BGs are still a huge part of WoW PvP overall.
Then suddenly
lmao
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Just because I reference arena in specific a few times doesn’t mean I am not talking about PvP more broadly. Imagine playing childish gotcha games.
Imagine continually moving the goal posts every time your vapid arguments are dispelled.
I haven’t moved any goalposts. Rating requirements on gear makes arena less competitive and also makes PvP less competitive wherever it happens. I don’t have to state every single possible facet of every opinion I have on a topic in my first post. Also zero of my arguments have been “dispelled”, lol. Literally the only thing you and the other moron have said is “rank 1 players won’t be facing 1300 players” which is one of the most irrelevant possible comments you can make.
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I mean for me to like arena I would have to like WoW PvP, which I think is the most flowchart competitive video game.
Playing with the right people makes everything seem better than it is.
Chose one. They aren’t both true. The people with all the gear won’t be fighting against the people with none of the gear. The people with all the gear will be queueing into other people with all the gear.
Now for BGs, maybe. But arena gear is the least of the gear disparity you’ll see in BGs. You’ll have fresh 70s in quest greens getting globaled by people with full T5 gear. The fact that arena weapons require rating won’t even factor into that equation. Plus, BGs are not “competitive” PvP. It’s hoards of morons fighting on roads and in the middle of maps usually with extremely lopsided numbers. S1 weapons requiring 2050 rating isn’t the reason that 6k HP mage guarding Fel Reaver all alone is about to get steam rolled by three Alliance players.
You have made literally zero meaningful points here and have succeeded only in backpedaling into defenses separate from the original contention (and even those are bad positions).
Chose one. They aren’t both true. The people with all the gear won’t be fighting against the people with none of the gear. The people with all the gear will be queueing into other people with all the gear.
I don’t have to choose one. Using the ultimate extreme doesn’t change the objective reality that gear disparities reduce the competitive integrity of PvP in all its forms. Anywhere you find it the integrity is weakened, and you will find it at every threshold to a new piece of gear to varying extents.
Now for BGs, maybe. But arena gear is the least of the gear disparity you’ll see in BGs.
Just because other things are also an issue doesn’t make this not an issue. What an asinine argument.
You have made literally zero meaningful points here and have succeeded only in backpedaling into defenses separate from the original contention (and even those are bad positions).
I haven’t backpedaled one inch. Reality is the same now as it was when I first posted in the thread. You have not refuted at all my point that gear disparities are diametrically opposed to the competitive nature of PvP (because you can’t) and have only contended that those disparities either will never come to bear (by citing extreme examples that are not relevant to reality) or that even if they do come to bear there are worse things (which is a complete non-point).