I wish I could stomach retail

Disabling flying is easy, and we already have Chromie time for other changed geographies like Theramore and Vale of Eternal Blossoms. If Blizz did a similar system, they can just disable flying in the old time zone.

Literally impossible how?

Download sexy map, there is an option for a wooden square frame. Looks really good and fits in better with the game’s classic aesthetic.

youre summarizing your whole disgust with the game by complaining about the minimap ? lol

Even Vale of EB has, or rather had, 3 iterations. Or is it 4 now?

You had the original which you will never see again.
Then you had the blighted one.
Then you had the slightly repaired one.
And now you got the one with the infestation of the old gods.

The very first one is not possible to revisit IIRC? Unless they changed that.

Anyhow, the Pre-Cata EK/Kalimdor were utterly removed from the game, entirely. Only way you’re seeing those is through Classic servers.

Vanilla WoW was an adventure, that took its inspiration from DnD. I think people love it because it feels like an RPG even with all the jank and lack of QoL.

There are so many little things that Vanilla had that made the game interesting. People that tell you that all Vanilla had to do was raid are the same players that the game caters to now, and they’re the same players Blizzard tried to pander to since TBC really.

Sorry, I was waiting for a technical limitation to implement a system similar to Chromie time in certain zones for classic quests. I haven’t heard one?

I understand these quests aren’t currently in Retail wow, but they could be.

Don’t chew man just swallow it whole :stuck_out_tongue:

If people are this triggered about the ui (of which I have moved everything where I have had it since legion), I worry for y’alls mental agility to deal with change in real life.

Tuesday right when servers come back is the best time to queue for LFR if you’re done with your shift by then

In Vanilla, the class balance and gameplay sucked for most classes.

It was cumbersome, and not fun.

What Vanilla DID have, though, is a lot of care in small details, longer questlines, and it didn’t feel like a rush to the finish line. The journey to max level actually mattered. While obsolete now, vanilla had lots of stuff sprinkled mid-game for you to work towards achieving.

Ever since Cata, all of that was removed even from new expansions coming out. All grinding was moved to max level, all gear you get on the way up to max level is only worn for an hour or two of in-game time until it’s tossed aside, etc. And that’s why you got people who don’t like modern WoW because only max level matters.

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The best time is Monday night. Why bother to finish things on time when you can either get the wondrous grab bag of first pull oneshotting or wiping past 10 stack?

The truth is WoW is just dated and mediocre compared to modern standards.

Classic only gets the vibe it does because its still much more community driven with less automation breaking down the social interactions.

I.E. I play both Classic Era and DF. On DF people usually don’t talk much at all outside of discord. While on Era, general chats are usually hold big debates on hot topics that normally wouldn’t exist on retail because everybody would get report squelched by some extremist leftists who dissect and destroy their own allys.

I think the classes are fine. Every class in Vanilla has a viable spec for end game.

So I’m remembering something else I remember thinking when I did get to max level on my blacksmith…

I remember going to Valdrakken after my blacksmith hit max level, and then seeing the !s everywhere, and going “wtf is all this?” and feeling so overwhelmed and lost is one of the reasons why I kinda stopped playing at that point.

I was like “I dunno what half of this crap even is…” and then logged onto my human, to get about an hour or two into the first questing zone and go “blah…” and then I just started questing just enough to do the weekly box rewards whenever they offered something I could actually do on that character.

I wasn’t questioning viability.

I was talking about how fun they are to actually PLAY.

For example, Paladin. Ret Paladin, specifically. Judge seal judge seal judge seal, running out of MP constantly, having to plunk down and eat after every other kill, lacking any kind of AoE attacks (or any actual attacks at all! Auto-Attack isn’t fun, yo), yadda yadda.

Or Arms Warrior, how reliant they were upon bleed, which half of the enemies you fought was immune to.

Well that class design is over 20 years old, I think they aren’t that bad even today.

Those original developers were actual gamers and DnD nerds, they made a fun game even with the jank.

While I agree with you here, I think that people must understand that WoW is a 20-year-old game, it must evolve, or it will die.

How many games did you see die in this time ? How many were forgotten?

The nostalgia appeal that classic gives is good, and there are a lot of players that enjoy it, even infested by bots like it is.

Retail itself is not that bad; yes, it has a lot of useless information and convoluted systems, but overall, it’s an OK expansion when compared with BFA and SL.

That’s your opinion, and it’s disagreed with by a Lot of players.

Not saying games shouldn’t evolve, but I kinda think that WoW rushes to max level a little too fast.

Heck, I just started a new murderfox a couple days ago and she’s 55 with barely 10 hours on the clock. I can’t play through a single expansion worth of zones before hitting 60 if I tried. Best I can do is 2 zones and a tiny bit of a 3rd.

BTW, this is without heirlooms, potions, or any intentional buffs to XP.

is that it? lol
I noticed classic players cant seem to just stick to classic…always over in here insulting retail for some reason. lol

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Pretty much where I’m at honestly. If you wanna start from scratch and find a bunch of chill people to raid normal with on the weekends and nudge heroic you can absolutely do that without having to do much else. Play your way on your time and find a casual group who respect that.

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