You’re suggesting an addon that only works in fantasy land. It’s a bannable offense to be toxic in FF. They still have to go through reports one by one. If you can make an algorithm that avoids all that, then they certainly can. Why aren’t they calling you up? You could save them thousands and thousands of dollars in payroll.
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While I agree with you that these addons are likely a very bad idea (especially for the player base to be in charge of) I think you’re digging into this guy a bit hard.
He seems to just be interested in the maths and data side of things, he’s not even an author of one of these addons.
This sort of stuff will be hotly contested in every aspect of our lives, people trying to use machines to fix problems and other people trying to cause problems
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I think this will be my last attempt at discourse as you seem to be solidified in your stance and not care what is actually said.
This doesn’t attempt to do that at all.
Because the end goal is diffrent thier attempting to moderate what is sadi and done. This is diffrent in its goal in that it tries to match you with people who hold similar values. It makes no judgments on racism, sexism or M+ leaving. Instead if there is a report about such things it scores you negatively for people who care about any of those things and doesn’t effect the score at all if it does.
Further more by requiring positive reviews in order to post a negative review the majority of player will end up with positive scores.
Again because both the goal and method are completely different.
I do think I’m done for the night. Thank you to everyone here for what was a stimulating conversation.
Seriously if someone can develope a super trusty report system like this, they would be hired by millions of companies.
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Maybe, but it’s not exactly a challenge to see how this thing is going to end up. One guy on discord can’t verify these reports and an algorithm like what he’s suggesting isn’t possible. Maybe he’ll be the guy that winds up inventing it, but that seems unlikely.
That would depend on the volume and how its handled.
This wasn’t something I addressed as I don’t know what sort of restrictions wow has on some key UI functions. The easiest way I can see to verify reports is to require right clicking their name in chat or the player frame. In the menu there will be an option to report. When that is chosen it takes a screenshot and send that and the in game report to the website.
This would cut down on the amount of people whom could false report (though there would still be ways.) In the case of any negitve report that is in dispute it would be up to the indivdual who made the claim to provide support.
But now that I think of it that last part wouldn’t really be needed. The individual making the report wouldn’t want to play with the person they reported and the person reported would probably hate the person that reported them. In this case adjusting the score as if it were true would solve both their problems. Furthermore it would prevent future possible reports because people with similar behaviors would no longer be ranked highly for those players.
On top of this as any individual complaint has little effect to the score there would need to be multiple complaints. And as you are limited in your ability to create negative complaints the ability for any single individual to effect those scores is moot. Heck you could even put in a limit were x amount of complaints by individual accounts needs to happen before any score is changed.
OK…but if this addon ever gets to a point where more than 50 people are using it, there’d be thousands of reports every day. Someone has to go through those screenshots. That someone would have to do that work for free.
This thing only “works” now because there’s no verification process. It just takes your word for it.
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If there would be that many complaints I would agree. It would end up as a full time job. Perhaps this is were we differ, despite being a pessimist in most areas I like to think people are generally better then this.
If that were to happen I guess you would have to adjust the number of review per complaint ratio to limit it to a viable number. This way only the worst complaints are logged.
I actually agree with you there. I think where we differ is that even decent people are going to be really tempted to screw around with something like this. There’s no penalty for falsely reporting someone. That would happen all the time.
You’d have to substantially limit the amount of reports that could be made in order for a few guys on discord to be able to go through all those screenshots. The more people that utilize the system, the harder it would be to run. Before long, they’d be a month behind with more and more reports coming in every day. It’s not sustainable.
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LOL the API wouldn’t let you do that, using an ingame UI to send a data from your PC straight to third party website is dangerous.
Indeed which is why I didn’t add it initially as I have very limited experience with the WoW API. Similar things could be done although it would be a pain in the rear and require far more then its worth.
As far as third party sites we do it all the time (the most obvious would be raider IO and overwolf.) Its up to the user to determine if its worth the risk.
No, raider io pulled it’s data from Blizzard, not from player-submitted action. its a huge difference if you understand how it works.
Its pulled from the API but its put into a database on a third party website hosts. The desktop app then pulls this data.
Ok so you understand how it’s different from player submitting an ingame screenshot straight to their site?
Yes I’m well aware of the difference. A comparison is the act of evaluating two or more things that are slightly different to determine the relevant.
Its why I also listed overwolf. If the point of it being third part was what was relevant then both of these apply.
But you can also point to microsoft which datamines the majority of the population. Or youtube or google. If what you were concerned about was privacy and data being being pulled without your knowledge.
But you didn’t address the fact that you as the user can agree to these terms if you want to use it. If not you can decide not to use it. The fact is most people have no understanding of how much data is collected on them every day and don’t care.
The fact that you play wow (unless you use wine and use very specific distros) means you already agreed to parties gathering and selling information on you.
You said you understand but you bring Microsoft into this discussion, what’s next? gonna bring apple or xiaomi too?
Well clearly you didn’t understand a single thing I said.
As I’ve spent the majority of the night trying to explain concepts to people, I’m worn out and I’m going to let this one go as its something I really don’t care about at all.
Because you’re just wrong, Blizzard API wouldn’t let you submit any data from user submitted action straight to third party site, it doesn’t matter if you flail around with your stupid “whatabout microsoft” or all of your nonsense.
Your feeling got in the way and that’s sad.
So it is a reading comprehension issue. I already stated in my initial post that it might not be then accepted your claim that it wasn’t. Your arguing something you “won” several posts ago…