While I think that Vulpera would be a great race to play as, I don’t want them to end up being the goblin AR. There are many things I love about goblins that Vulpera simply don’t share. Now I think the thing is that a lot of the Vulpera community sees pushing it as the Goblin AR as their best chance of making it happen is why they push for it like this.
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Not to rain on your parade, but that’s because gilblins are a copy-paste of goblins. Vulpera needed their own animations for the ears and tail, so they only re-made the animations they needed for the npcs to save on time.
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The ears are very similar to goblin ears. There are literally dozens of tails in world of warcraft. I’ll bet you they took those tails from something that already existed.
Next thing is. Yes I realize they are a copy and pasted, but it more so comes down to more so how blizzard set up this allied race system. So far every race has been a reskin of an existing race and Kul’tirans and Nightborne don’t actually have unique rigs. This is a common myth. These rigs they used existed in the game prior to them being out on some models. Now if they suddenly made an exception with goblins due to popular request; Especially when gnomes are likely getting that cyborg gnome AR, I wouldn’t be happy.
If Vulpera came out right now, they would be the first race to really truly detach from the allied race formula. The only similarity they share between goblins is their size, rig and that they are helping the horde. Just imagine for a minute if humans got furblogs as an AR?
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I agree, if the alliance are getting the cyborg gnomes it would make much more sense to release them alongside the Gilblins. I just don’t see as much hype for them as Vulpera. Assuming we’re getting short races next.
Good luck, though. It could really go either way.
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Yes. Can’t wait for Vulpera.
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There is also the possibility that it could end up being neither. Perhaps they may introduce something we haven’t seen yet or at the moment is very obscure.
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Except female giblins don’t exist at all. There is virtually no hype for them, or requests to make them playable. It’d be easier to add a few more animations to Vulpera then to make female Gilblin.
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I think the “Ankowen”? that were shown are going to play a more significant role, seeing as they are going to be the only race allying with the Alliance instead of the 3 allying with the horde. Who knows how far the alliances will go, however, they’re my next bet for next allied race after Vulpera if people really embrace them in 8.2.
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This is nonsense. No race has an allied race. A certain member recruits but that is not how it actually works. That’s why they’re called allied races not sub races. For example Lightforged Draenei were actually recruited by a human not regular Draenei. And Void elves were recruited by a void elf, who was a former high elf, which are not playable at all.
I don’t know who’s gonna be the person who sends us out to recruit Vulpera. I can see the goblin dude wanting to exploit them for labor. Then again maybe it’ll be the pandaren leader?
But allied races are explicitly not sub races for a reason. Because it permits things like Vulpera.
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Nah. It would be very simple to make a female Gilblin model. Just take a few of the gils from the male Gilblin model, some of their textures. Adjust them a bit and add them to a female goblin model. Thing you have to remember is that there already is a female goblin model to work with. Really all it needs is a retexture and some gils.
That’s why they’re called allied races not sub races.
I hate to break it to you, but so far every allied race that has been released has at the very least been the same type as it’s existing race. Even void elves are still elves and last I checked, Vulpera aren’t goblins.
For example Lightforged Draenei were actually recruited by a human not regular Draenei.
Has more to do with the intrinsic similarities and the racial slot parity than who recruited them.
But allied races are explicitly not sub races for a reason.
Perhaps blizzard meant something different by sub races. Maybe they aren’t “lesser races” or lower ranked people of races.
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You wouldn’t be happy about a bunch of people getting a highly desired allied race… are you that much a party pooper?
Vulpera don’t use unique models either BTW. They use the goblin model with some unique animations. So it’d literally be NO different then any other allied race.
Also KT humans have a unique skeleton as far as I’m aware. If they don’t then please, link me the race that uses their skeleton. Nightborn are however slightly modified night elves. Zandalari males are HEAVILY modified from night elf male base model. And zandalari female are moderately altered from troll female. All this fits within the premise of previous allied races. Considering unlike most potential allied races they already have a mostly fleshed out male and female armor and can wear most player gear. They just need a few new animations, some tidying up, fix helmets on them and boom they’re playable.
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… (thinks of a vulpera dude in plate mail like the old fashioned knights and smiles)
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You wouldn’t be happy about a bunch of people getting a highly desired allied race… are you that much a party pooper?
Keep in mind that a lot of the reason for the popularity of Vulpera over Gilgoblins is because we already have Goblins and even goblins don’t exactly have the highest of player bases. My issue lies with the fact that blizzard has done things a certain way so far with these allied race. If Vulpera suddenly came out right now, they would be the first allied race to truly break the AR formula. They really would. They only similarity they share between goblins is that they have the same rig, size and that they are helping the horde. All other allied races have more similarities than that. Especially with the prospect of cyborg gnomes coming out. I’d love a race that reflects goblins since this is the system blizzard has chosen to go with.
Vulpera don’t use unique models either BTW. They use the goblin model with some unique animations. So it’d literally be NO different then any other allied race.
Imagine if the allied race for humans was a group of furblog who lived in the forest and stuff?
Also KT humans have a unique skeleton as far as I’m aware.
They don’t. Check the male vengeance demon form.
Nightborn are however slightly modified night elves. Zandalari males are HEAVILY modified from night elf male base model.
Nightborne share a similar smug personality that Belfs do as well as have a similar history reminiscent of the situation with the Sunwell that belfs do. Zandalari have a history with the darkspear trolls. Their rigs aren’t unique either and they share many principles.
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I actually do want Furbolgs to be playable… using the pandaren skeleton would be amusing because in Wc3 pandaren originally were modified from furbolg models. Before they got a custom model in the expansion. I imagine night elves will recruit them but to be honest it doesn’t really matter who the heck recruits them.
Why does hype have to be comparable lol? Ztrolls got WAY more hype then KT humans. Void elves more then nightborn (especially with how crappy the player model is). Highmountain more then lightborn. I think dark iron more then mag’har but that was closer.
Bliz left lore breadcrumbs in chronicles that said Goblins evolved due to the mechagnome titan watcher dude experimenting on a race of dimunitive furry creature outside Ulduar. Modernly no known Vulpera exist there. But it is plausible that they have a connection. Also what race are you trying to say void elves are? Night elves? Night elves had literally, LITERALLY nothing to do with their recruitment. So no.
Exactly.
That’s… not… what… sub races mean… it means “lower classification” not lower ranked… jesus in hell on icecubes. It’s a biological term sub species are species that biologically branch out from another species. For example Neanderthal, and Humans were both sub species of earlier hominids.
They’re called allied races because the only requirement is that we make an alliance with them. That’s it. I feel like that was even said in an interview that they purposefully avoided the term sub races because it would’ve created artificial limitations.
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Hype is relevant because in the recent Q&A, they said that with all previous Allied races there was no community input because they were all decided upon before BFA. For the next allied races, they’re getting the opportunity to listen to the community, and they will act with us in mind. Literally that’s what Ion said.
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Which is a pointless limitation to have. “Formula” is pointless. It adds literally nothing productive to the game to limit what they add based on some pre-ordained “formula” which could be just a happenstance coincidence really then a rule of law blizzard is using. You have now idea how their internal systems work. Honestly we might not get Vulpera but we def aren’t getting Giblins.
Void elves, again what is there counterpart? Night elves? Other then both being elves they have NOTHING in common. They’re about as far apart as two elf species can be.
Impossible. Because races don’t have allied races. Allied races are separate races that are recruited by one of the faction leaders. But if anduin wanted to go and recruit Furbolgs sure I don’t gotta problem with that at all.
Do you know how limited those models were? They have like virtually no animations. They had to do A LOT more work for them to be turned into a workable playable model then they will need for Vulpera.
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There’s no reason arguing over it, clearly you two want different things and you aren’t going to change each others’ minds.
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That’s… not… what… sub races mean… it means “lower classification” not lower ranked… jesus in hell on icecubes. It’s a biological term sub species are species that biologically branch out from another species. For example Neanderthal, and Humans were both sub species of earlier hominids.
They’re called allied races because the only requirement is that we make an alliance with them. That’s it. I feel like that was even said in an interview that they purposefully avoided the term sub races because it would’ve created artificial limitations.
Starting with this one. When it comes down it, actions speak louder than words. If blizzard really did mean that allied races aren’t sub races, then why are so many allied races so similar to existing ones?
Also what race are you trying to say void elves are? Night elves? Night elves had literally, LITERALLY nothing to do with their recruitment. So no.
Blood elves. There is also that even though they aren’t connected to night elves, they are still elves. Vulpera aren’t goblins. Every allied race so far has been the same racial type.
Hype is relevant because in the recent Q&A, they said that with all previous Allied races there was no community input because they were all decided upon before BFA.
And this is also why I am speaking out. Again. I have no problem with Vulpera as a race in general, but as a goblin allied race is a completely different story. As I have mentioned before. The only similarity that they have to goblins is that they share share rig, size and that they are helping the Horde. They don’t have the majority of the qualities I like about goblins. I also think Gilgoblins would be pretty cool. We don’t have one aquatic race out right now unless you count druid sea form.
** Which is a pointless limitation to have. “Formula” is pointless. It adds literally nothing productive to the game to limit what they add based on some pre-ordained “formula” which could be just a happenstance coincidence really then a rule of law blizzard is using. You have now idea how their internal systems work. Honestly we might not get Vulpera but we def aren’t getting Giblins.
There is an argument to be made there. However again. Since it is already said and done, if blizzard suddenly made an exception as a result of this when they followed this formula for every other race, I wouldn’t be happy. Besides. People aren’t giving Gilgoblins enough credit. They could be pretty cool if done right.
Void elves, again what is there counterpart?
As I said. Blood elfs and Vulpera don’t share an intrinsic similarity with any other existing playable either.
There’s no reason arguing over it, clearly you two want different things and you aren’t going to change each others’ minds.
Honestly this whole debate frustrates me. But when people go around saying Gilgoblin supporters don’t exist, I have to step in.
Because the original concept of allied races WAS sub races. But they decided to change the term in dev so that it wouldn’t constrict them in the future. I am like 90% sure they said this in an interview shortly after BFA was announced.
But like I said Vulpera may be the predecessor race to goblins which is why they have similar builds.
But by that logic. Then Pandaren can recruit vulpera because they’re both furry. -_-
There is no formula. It’s an imaginary pattern I’ve already poked so many holes through your damn boat is sinking.
You won’t be happy if blizzard actions don’t align with your made up formula you believe they should follow? Ok.
Irrelevant. They have no hype.
Okay, cool. There is a thread with over a 100 pages requested Vulpera. Do you have a thread requesting requesting Giblins? and how many pages did it reach???
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Me too, OP, me too.
#metoo
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