I did not know that.
You’re right. Not a reasonable fight to have to be honest. My fault and apologies.
I did not know that.
You’re right. Not a reasonable fight to have to be honest. My fault and apologies.
Casually spending money to sustain your raid performance, like a casual does.
It’s a small thing, but the Shadowbolt Volley that auto-casts when you cast Shadowbolt / Channel Drain Soul (they finally fixed it) is soooo satisfying in TWW.
Fire & Brimstone is also one of my favorite talents in the game.
I love these types of effects.
But… they already exist. There’s plenty of specs that can build this way. I don’t think its a mechanic that should be homogenized.
I don’t think its bad to ask Hunters to cast Multi Shot once every 4-5 seconds during AOE for example.
The issue I have with it is that it’s just arbitrary busy work. A button for a button’s sake. It’s not more fun, it’s just another timer/buff to track with an addon. It doesn’t add anything substantial to the gameplay feel, other than to make it more awkward to play.
I mean, it’s the wow forums. See if it’s possible to go a day without someone complaining about something.
The difficulty (or perception of difficulty) is entirely subjective from one player to another.
Some players find a thing easy. Some players find that thing hard. Some players find a thing too simple. Some players find a thing too complex.
“I saw a complaint in the forums” doesn’t mean too much in the grand scheme of things ![]()
Unless it’s a complaint about shamans. I think those complaints are overwhelmingly present so there’s probably something to them
What I do is fun for me.
Def think this is a skill issue and not evolving.
Because there were very niche specs that did need tuning down. Brewmaster is one of them.
The forums is filled with bad players complaining all the time. Doesn’t mean it’s credible.
It’s not an opinion.
BM is already the most braindead it’s ever been.
Managing BS and BC is too hard?
Def think this is a skill issue and not evolving.
Nah, M+ isn’t really that hard to do. It’s just a matter of finding groups and devoting the time to doing it. I have way better things to do with my time. Such as standing around in Stormwind RPing.
It’s not an opinion
There are certainly different schools of thought when it comes to the exact definition of a “casual” player. I’m of the mind that someone who pushes M+ and does mythic raiding while buying WoW tokens to pay for flasks is not a “casual” player.
It’s hard to pin down the exact parameters for casual vs. hardcore, but I don’t think you’re casual.
The issue I have with it is that it’s just arbitrary busy work. A button for a button’s sake.
I don’t know the logical delineation between buttons that are busy work and buttons that aren’t.
I know nothing about hunters, but going off context, multi shot adds a button because it’s conceptually a fundamental ability to press when there are multiple mobs around.
Hunter doesn’t just shoot one arrow cause there isn’t just one mob. When there’s only one mob, hunter shoots one arrow at a time. Seems to make sense to me from a class fantasy standpoint, no?
Nah, M+ isn’t really that hard to do. It’s just a matter of finding groups and devoting the time to doing it. I have way better things to do with my time. Such as standing around in Stormwind RPing.
Pretty much confirms skill issue.
but I don’t think you’re casual.
I stated I don’t care what you think already. You don’t get to change word definitions based on feelings.
I know nothing about hunters, but
Tldr.
BM uses multi shot to apply beast cleave for a 4 second duration.
You manage beast cleave and barbed shot.
MM uses multi shot to proc trick shot.
That actually sounds like a meaningful bit of interaction. I wouldn’t call that busy work when there’s such an amount of synergy present
Yeah.
You don’t even need an addon to track Trick Shots / Beast Cleave.
It’s just a rhythm game. For MM it’s every other cast and BM every like 2-3 I forget specifically but yeah… it doesn’t require any mental work.
So whats the proposal, that MS automatically fires off when you press Arcane Shot…?
Or is Arcane Shot also busy work…?
Do you just want Auto Attacks? The line has to be drawn somewhere and I think 1 single spell to kick you into an “AOE mode” for Hunter is the bare minimum.
Managing BS and BC is too hard?
Hard? Nah. Just not fun for me.
Hunter doesn’t just shoot one arrow cause there isn’t just one mob. When there’s only one mob, hunter shoots one arrow at a time. Seems to make sense to me from a class fantasy standpoint, no?
On one hand, multi-shot makes sense in that context. On another hand, it’s literally just a separate button to fill space on the bar instead of Arcane/Chimaera shot. It fulfills the same basic concept of “use aimed shot, then use (Arcane/Multi)”
Which doesn’t significantly alter the gameplay feel, it just necessitates a separate button situationally.
So why can’t we just make it so the single target shot does the same thing as Multi-shot, and it cleaves to other targets in the same manner as multi-shot for reduced damage?
As an option, like I said. Anything that let’s me reduce the number of buttons and timers in my head is a good option in my opinion.
That actually sounds like a meaningful bit of interaction. I wouldn’t call that busy work when there’s such an amount of synergy present
Yeah OP is just coping. It’s where skill expression shows.
And it’s as simple as having a WA that tracks it.
Hard? Nah. Just not fun for me.
And dumbing down the spec isn’t fun for me.
I stated I don’t care what you think already.
Right. You think mythic raiding, orange M+ progression, and buying WoW tokens to pay for flasks counts as “casual” and you’ll accept no counter points.
Lol
So whats the proposal, that MS automatically fires off when you press Arcane Shot…?
That would be nice as an option, yeah. Chimera shot already hits two. It could just cleave to everything for less damage and take on the role of Arcane and multishot at the same time.
So why can’t we just make it so the single target shot does the same thing as Multi-shot, and it cleaves to other targets in the same manner as multi-shot for reduced damage?
I think because
it just necessitates a separate button situationally.
I think it’s quite intentional ![]()
Your character has engaged in an entirely different manner of fight. Would they not reasonably adapt their behavior accordingly?
Multi-shot is sounding increasingly fundamental to me, and if synergy with other abilities is built around it, I think there would be a lot of problems with removing it.
Right. You think mythic raiding, orange M+ progression, and buying WoW tokens to pay for flasks counts as “casual” and you’ll accept no counter points.
Considering I’m meeting the definition of the words meaning yes.
Also $20 every few months isn’t that much money especially for a hobby. My cars suspension alone cost over $4k.
Just because you’re not good doesn’t mean others can’t play less and be better.
The only difference in rotation is that instead of BM pushing cobra shot they push multi shot.
MM pushes arcane shot over multi shot