I want to say this before I get cut off when my money runs out

Yes, especially so. You can see it when they play there is no soul in their eyes. When you turn a hobby into a job you usually end up disliking it. Especially when that hobby to function as a job requires you to play it unendingly for absurd hours every day for a long period of time and jump through a ton of hoops.

Who do you think is more prone to hating the game? The guy that has to gear up and micromanage daily quests and weekly chores on 5 characters solely for racing in the new tier, or the person who doesn’t have to do any of that by any obligation and can play at their own pace enjoying not being horribly burnt out on playing?

World first raiders have been the absolute most vocal group of players about removing racials from raiding entirely because of how effective they can be. Method’s players were very vocal about hating having to go goblin on some of their raiders specifically so they could do Mythic KJ.

It wasn’t that a guild threatened to transfer, it’s that it was such a ridiculous buff that guilds felt forced to. No different than how after RWF in 8.1 they nerfed the troll racial because it made Jaina a lot more manageable and the only reason it wasn’t nerfed is because players had already made the switch to troll and just cutting it in a random hotfix after the fact was in bad taste. This was Blizzard’s exact reasoning when they did it.

No, I know they do because of the ridiculous amount of hoops required for them to actually hit that point. You think the world first raiders like having a number of alts be micromanaged and geared solely so they can run split raids and throw gear at people in the roster that share loot with them? They hate it.

FFS we hated it in ICC when they gave us limited Heroic attempts because it meant our guild was playing four raids just so we could burn their attempts on gambits then down the boss on our mains. We hated having to spend more time discussing the pull of a boss rather than just doing the fighting.

Top end raiders want to enjoy the game, not be forced to do a bunch of stupid crap to feel like they can compete in the raid tier on things that are external factors like how lucky you get on gear, what classes you bring, what races you all are. If skill was the ONLY factor at play they wouldn’t care.

Because the game forces one chore on you and that’s it, that being the MSQ. Your progress isn’t constantly reset every patch. The developers clearly play the game and make changes that the playerbase actually identifies as problematic even if they don’t agree with it. The fact every other facet of the game actually feels like it matters. PvPers are somehow happy. Crafters and Gatherers got huge events this entire expansion. Casuals have a lot of side content that makes them money and they can enjoy like treasure maps.

XIV blew up because they build the game for the players, not some misguided vision, and certainly not to cash in on hyping up events a couple times a year. They don’t care how many people they have, they care that people are happy.

It’s just a superior game, this has nothing to do with the fact you aren’t required to min-max, that’s a very small reason why the game is as dominant as it is.

Uh, what? I disagreed with you making a ridiculous and frankly idiotic assertion based on nothing more than your personal bias. You’re the one getting emotional here.

Go take your Chlorpromazine.

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Can someone break it to him. That’s kinda how that works now.

I get that but I can’t control how people think, I can only talk to them and try to give them my opinion and help them understand things the way I see them. That’s why most people disagree with me and some people just try to hurt me because I made an opinion. But I’m still going to put my opinion out there once in awhile and I will talk to as many people as I can about that opinion who aren’t just trolling me.

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Been there, got the t-shirt, know exactly what you mean. lol

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I play Eve super casually and I know about that council and the drama it’s had. I know a bit about the politics of Eve too and it has it’s own Method called Imperium sadly.

I do still play Eve, super casually, but not as much as FFXIV or PoE or WoW.

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They would be good if they just listened to feed back during PTR testing sessions lol. It’s like why have people come test your stuff f your not going to listen to any of the feedback like at all lol

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Ah yes, so because a previously secret forum existed, the new council is already tainted, even though this new council is going to be drawing players from all player backgrounds, including solo players, casual raiders, pvp focused players, roleplayers etc…

Are you okay? You don’t sound like you’re okay.

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Yeah, I’m still boggled by this. At least they acknowledged they messed up with that. Whether they’ll listen in the future… one can only hope.

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Honestly, none of them should be secret.

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In theory, yes. But we’ll have to wait and see how true that ends up being. Especially since one of the questions is what you’ve contributed and most examples were streaming and websites.

So personal attack for no reason? Alright then.

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Yes, it is perfectly acceptable to question things like this, to question anything really. If you stop questioning everything you stop learning as much as you can.

Yes, I am absolutely okay. I am in good health and I am not in need of any help right now thank you for asking.

Honestly I made a point, the point is valid, the public opinion is tainted, the evidence is out there about game design and nerfs because of the 0.001% threatening to spend money, nothing I said is untrue or misleading. They have secret forums and they have a secret discord group. Team 2 has been doing this for years now. It’s not a “secret” anymore.

Why do you have to question my mental health because I bring this up?

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I agree and disagree. It’s bad that it was secret, but the reason it was secret is because people aren’t supposed to know about it because they get the childish mentality when it comes to secret clubs they aren’t a part of. They throw a tantrum because they’re not in it and create problems.

The biggest issue I see with this council forum is that people who apply and don’t get in are going to be insanely toxic regarding the people that do get in. Especially if you have a lot of them that just say every change is good when a lot of people dislike them. It would be wise on Blizzard’s part to make these forum posts completely anonymous.

If a lot of players hate a change and you have three posters saying “This is the best change ever, double down on it!” players will abuse them in game as they are prone to do.

That said, best of luck to people optimistic enough to apply. I learned my lesson with the last board, I am not even remotely interested in applying just to deal with a round 2 of what happened going into Legion.

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It’s a personal attack to ask someone if they’re okay? Because it seems like Brozer is really angry and there’s no justifiable reason (in my mind at least) right now why he should be. We know nothing about the council other than that it exists, that it will be public, and that players of all player backgrounds will be accepted into it. None of these things justify an angry response, and certainly not to the level that Brozer is going to.

Thankfully that question was 100% optional, but I think it’s more for those who are jumping in because they stream or because they’re a guild leader who may be very invested in the game. One of the guilds I am a member of had several of their members, including the guild leader apply, they’re all avid roleplayers. They linked the guild website as well as the Dance of the Dead event post on the Moon Guard forums.

I dont think you’ve got the idea of an echo chamber quite down pat.

It’s not about who you reply to, an echo chamber is about only entertaining in a favorable fashion, those who share the same thoughts and ideas that you do.

Player and Dev communication has existed in the past and has worked. The MoP Warlock rework is a direct example of that.

The problems have always happened when the devs decided that they didn’t need to take player feedback into account. That’s why the last private board died.

The success of the player council depends less on who does or doesn’t get accepted and whether the devs actually take their feedback seriously and don’t just go “you think you do, but you don’t” like they have in the past.

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Your point is opinion, that is not tantamount to valid.

Can you show all the proof of this? I would love to read it.

My replies where literally me entertaining any thoughts and opinions related to my post and I have directly engaged with numerous people who disagreed with me or questioned me in this very thread.

I am not here to make an echo chamber. I am here to state an opinion and then defend it or talk about it.

The fact someone agreed with me doesn’t make this entire thread an echo chamber. It just means someone agreed with me.

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Here’s a pretty good thread on how one of the previous private boards died during Legion.

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Then perhaps, not stating “thats what i was looking for” is something you should leave out in the future, it implies a particular single-sided narrative.

Thanks for that. Appreciated :+1:

Edit: I want to note i just looked through that thread, while its curious and interesting, there is no “proof” that anyone from Blizzard was actually taking place in those conversations. Just screen shots of text that, frankly, anyone could have made.

I’m looking for actual proof of back and forth with blizzard employees by name. Until i see that, i honestly dont find that speculation credible.