Heroic you can more or less raid log. Higher its a bit more work.
Agreed.
I used to be a casual raider and was able to see BWL/AQ, HJ/BT, and even the Lich King by being a weekend warrior raid logger.
There is just so much you have to do upkeep wise now that its just not worth being in a raid guild, and what for anyway? The gear is vendor trash by the time you get full BIS replaced by M+ boosted ilvl items from the same dungeons you’ve cleared from day one anyway, and you can see all the content the raid has to offer day one on normal mode in a PUG.
LFR hasn’t been this since Mists.
After Mists they trashed it into “tourist mode” garbage and it never recovered
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Could you get 1 ready? Do you have to raid on 2 from the start?
I want to raid, but I don’t want to do all that garbage outside of raids 
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Are you sure? According to data only about 10% of the player base actually plays that way.
your correct some. i’m one of those people who are if i cant challenge myself i wont bother lol thanks for correction you… cute furry creature
Shadowlands is looking way better for upkeep.
No AP grind alone already puts it head and shoulders above BFA and Legion. Anything beyond your weekly M15, Torghast clears and 2 ranks of renown is pretty much pure fluff.
I thought I was going to get SL and that I’d jump right back into raiding with a guild but the closer SL got, the realization I would have to wait and wait and wait for flying and the fact that I do NOT want a “wow schedule” made me not even get SL.
When I do come back I’ve resigned myself to just be a casual. I just can’t stand the thought of a raid schedule. Maybe I’ll try to pug my way through heroic here and there. Or maybe I’ll just stick to M+.
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A lot of us did . The following thread has been going since August.
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/pulltheripcord/617401
This was all about separating the power from the cosmetics.
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The soul ash you get for completing a layer is part of what you need for your legendaries . So yeah it does give something.
Last I checked, classes and specs have more than a 5% variance between them in DPS, yet most players will still take the class to a raid that they prefer playing. If a difference in DPS was really that important, you’d have a full raid made up of only the class/spec that is the strongest and only the tank with most dps.
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People make assumptions and treat them as fact.
My guild raids for 3 hours, 2 nights per week. I hardly call that a 2nd job.
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4-5 hours of wow a day from the launch of SL to the release of Castle Nathria is more than enough time for you to have one, and even two characters to 60, and in full heroic dungeon gear. Raids aren’t magically going to require 190ilvl to enter on day 1. If you start your own pugs and limit it to 171 ilvl, I bet you’ll struggle, but most groups, even geared will struggle. But you’ll be able to get a raid going day 1 no problem.
Torghast doesn’t give gear though… legendary mats yes, but not gear… and WHY ONLY 6 FLOORS PER LEVEL?!
It’s not the raiding itself that’s the problem but the copious amounts of grinding up a character’s gear, soulbinds, soul ash, etc. that make it feel like a 2nd job.
I LOVE the actual raiding itself. I just wish the time investment to bring a decently geared character was a bit lower (and it definitely has been in past xpacs).
I think you’re just flat out playing the wrong game entirely if you don’t want a 2nd job. Pretty much every endgame activity in this game is like having a part time job.
Gearing for raids didn’t feel like a job back in Cata-MoP for me so I feel like they can make the same true these days but actively choose not to do so.
I stopped giving a flip about raiding stuff. Did it. Done it. Ova. I do the campaign, find treasures, LFR when I want to see the raids, help guildies with mythics or heroics. Much more fun when you realize just to relax and enjoy yourself rather than playing because you HAVE to do _________ or _________.