🔥 I want the REAL Alterac Valley

Blaîr-sargeras · March 25, 2019, 1:11am

1.5 AV for 2 months, 1.6 AV for 2 months 1.8 AV for 2 months 1.12 for the rest of classic? I feel like that’s a good enough compromise? It would be almost authentic.

-Sinclaire -Torch-

Cyberfour-aegwynn · March 25, 2019, 1:54am

Dawnspirit:

https://youtu.be/ywFdayYCUYk?t=625\

Here it’s relinked for you. The horde team literally kills Van on what is a 1.5 version of AV on Elysium in like 10 minutes.

Cyberfour:

There wasn’t battlegroups until the tail end of Vanilla, The final AV version existed in vanilla for about 6 months. Eventually a server will lose interest in AV - That doesn’t mean that it needs to be destroyed from the start.

You will experience this in classic if we get 1.12 AV in Stage 3. Gaming community has changed.

Yes I am aware of when battlegroups started. I didn’t get to 60 until after 1.11 dropped, as some people are so fond of pointing out. Just saying, in the “zergfest” version of AV, I literally never experienced what you described, or a zerg in AV.

Brokenwind:

I am not impressed with a video of a premade.

Of course you aren’t because it destroys the narrative that 1.12 is the only zergable version of AV.

Williams:

They’re not individually stupid on average.

They’re stupid as a group most of the time because each has their own idea how things should be done based on their individual experience.

That’s where I have seen the biggest problem in pug groups.

This is not that the situation is impossible, but that it’s impractical.

While this is true, as many people like to point out, players (especially pugs) go with the path of least resistance. When people find out you can do 1.5 AV in 10 minutes, how many are going to be against it that wouldn’t be against zerging 1.12?

My guess is if they were going to zerg 1.12 and there is a known way to zerg 1.5 they’re still going to zerg it.

Williams:

I still stand by 1.5 AV as something that cannot be zerged by a pug, it’s just not practical because most PvP players don’t play tanks, and those that do aren’t typically going to be well geared outside of a guild run.

The only time I ever did AV post Cata was when I was on a tank.

lol just wanted to link this. brack rotus in mid field.

It isn’t impossible to zerg in 1.5 but those premades you are seeing rand are not as easy as you think to run and setup. They have raid geared tanks. That premade has at least 30 as well. And to throw a curve ball at you, I will say that you didn’t have groups as coordinated as this back in vanilla either.

The difficulty of zerging in 1.5 compared to 1.12 was kinda like stealing candy.
1.12 is like stealing candy from a child at a zoo with no parents around.
1.5 is like stealing a bag of twix from a grocery store with a loss prevention officer patrolling you. You might out run them and get away but it’s much different.

Cyberfour-aegwynn · March 25, 2019, 1:55am

I would prefer a static 1.5 for the entire life span. Blizzard had no reason to change it in first place besides an attempt to speed it up and turn it more into a quick game and not a war.

Brokenwind-malganis · March 25, 2019, 2:05am

Why am I not surprised?

anon22126762 · March 25, 2019, 2:08am

At the end of the day we gotta take into consideration that they have probably (obviously) been working on the game and have already implemented 1.12 AV into the game. Inspite of arugeing or complaint I do really believe we are getting 1.12 AV case closed. They have already stated they don’t want to run 2 MMOs so this looks like part of an area where they are willing to cut a corner for reasons. At the end of the day I this is a make it or break it for Classic WoW for you then you are gonna have to accept that either A. You probably should just throw the towel in and give up on the game or B. Give the game a shot and convince people on your server to turtle since the zerg argument is a big deal.

Williams-akama · March 25, 2019, 2:30am

Instances are modular, then can be replaced. This does not mean testing and bug fixes wouldn’t be needed

Starbûck-caelestrasz · March 25, 2019, 2:42am

What version included turn-ins and summon raid bosses, but made the NPCs not godly?

Blaîr-sargeras · March 25, 2019, 3:12am

And if It came down to a static 1.12 or 1.5 AV I would take 1.12 every time.

-Sinclaire -Torch-

Asglarek-hellscream · March 25, 2019, 3:31am

Screenshot or it…it never happened so never mind.

Ponk-lothar · March 25, 2019, 1:46pm

A non premade is going to be hilariously cut to ribbons trying to zerg anything below 1.8. Even a premade will lose most of it’s players trying to mount up and ride to the end.

Derkarn-area-52 · March 25, 2019, 1:58pm

People clamoring for 1.5 because of Korrak seem to forget that Korrak had to be buffed in 1.6 because he was a complete pushover.

90% of the people making these threads are just doing it because they see other people doing it, I’m convinced.

Brokenwind-malganis · March 25, 2019, 2:01pm

I have actually made the case for 1.7 as a compromise.