I do recall that in the later stages of Vanilla you could out gear the last boss even with a few of the bunkers or towers up. Thatâs how much the Zerg can work.
You could take down 2 bunkers and just have off tanks hold the other 2 in corners and have people streaming in from the GY to there deaths while you killed Van or Drek. You need 3 tanks that could take a hit though, and it was very susceptible to harassment if mages from the opposing faction came in. I only saw it on private servers in the pre 1.11 design though. AV will become a joke if its 1.12 version in classic.
Iâve said it before and Iâll say it again; I want the complete AV experience. This includes the complete cast of NPCâs and mechanics such as landmines. However, I understand that they are likely unable to bring back the old map and thus a compromise is the more likely bet.
Take 1.12 AV and restore the NPC guard patrols as well as Korrak, their original power could also be restored. The reason you see me in these threads is because asking for 1.5 AV is frankly, just a waste of energy. There were so many bug fixes and exploits fixed along the way that even if Blizzard could go back to 1.5, (theyâve said they only have data for 1.12 and slightly before that) they just wouldnât do it.
The reason you see me arguing against some people that want 1.5 AV is because their reasons for wanting it usually amount to â1.12 AV is a zerg, the battles wonât last more than 10-15 minutes. 1.5 AV canât be zerged, the battles will last for days!â Baseless claims that donât take into context everything else we know.
Now, Iâd ask that you please donât follow Cyberfourâs lead and turn this into an insult slugfest, heâs forum permabanned on multiple accounts for good reason.
Can someone clarify something for me. I played Nost back in 2015-2016 and Im pretty sure they used 1.12 AV (correct me if Im wrong) but I remember there being a quest to kill Korrak. I think he only spawned in the middle, 2 hours into the match, the quest gave you a blue weapon. So is Korrak in 1.12 or did Nost use an earlier AV? Also. I remember there being mines.
That isnât the only reason people have been vocal about it. Alterac Valley was more of a battlefield than a battleground. It was a mix of PVE and PVP that required people to work together and take objectives as a team. People had to actively communicate and decide whether defending a point from a push was more effective or going to help a group take a tower or GY.
This is what happens in 1.12 AV.
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Game starts - Everyone waiting 40v40
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People look at lists of players.
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Which side has a premade?
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Team that doesnât have a premade decides to go and take a tower and kill galv or balinda and let the team that has a premade win in under 10 minutes to get honor/rep and get out for the new fresh one to start.
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Anyone who tries to defend or turtle to prevent the premade zerg gets rediculed in chat and will most likely get this new Right Click Mute feature that you defend so much.
This is what 1.12 AV is. People want Exalted and they never queue again unless its AV weekend and they want to push rank.
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I know that after Elysium picked up the pieces the server that was close to or at BWL point had 1.5 AV and It was a blast.
All that this thread is missing is a Wall of No: AV Edition.
This literally never happened on my battlegroup.
You mean even with all the zerging that is clearly possible in the video I linked earlier?
You have zero experience with AV prior to 1.11. I am not impressed with a video of a premade.
There wasnât battlegroups until the tail end of Vanilla, The final AV version existed in vanilla for about 6 months. Eventually a server will lose interest in AV - That doesnât mean that it needs to be destroyed from the start.
You will experience this in classic if we get 1.12 AV in Stage 3. Gaming community has changed.
Didnât see the video but if enough people get through in 1.5 and push to a area that is safe and just wait for more a game can be over in under a hour. If you video was of a private server there is a good chance that the opposing side had 15 chinese bots and people just fishing/mining the whole time.
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I do not know which specific mobs were nerfed during each patch, but iirc the patch notes list it happening in two separate patches.
Unless you have exact proven numbers it means 400 IQ Rick and Morty viewer galdor has beaten you in the argument.
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Theyâre not individually stupid on average.
Theyâre stupid as a group most of the time because each has their own idea how things should be done based on their individual experience.
Thatâs where I have seen the biggest problem in pug groups.
This is not that the situation is impossible, but that itâs impractical.
I still stand by 1.5 AV as something that cannot be zerged by a pug, itâs just not practical because most PvP players donât play tanks, and those that do arenât typically going to be well geared outside of a guild run.
I also think youâre underestimating what 1.5 vanilla was like, Romeo this is pre blackwing lair and pre class updates and 16 pre-debuff slots, and OG vanilla tank threat management.
1.5 is a very different animal, and I just donât see a pug group zerging 1.5 AV.
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Doesnât make them not trash.
You know what i find funny. People screaming #nochange and want the "full classic experience " yet not even blizzard can give you that experience. Itâs already filled with changes and stuff that wasnât a thought in classic (like loot trading)
everyone just needs to take a sip from the ol bottle and sit yall as somewhere and wait till its out. Then complain all you want about how xyz sucks
Here itâs relinked for you. The horde team literally kills Van on what is a 1.5 version of AV on Elysium in like 10 minutes.
Yes I am aware of when battlegroups started. I didnât get to 60 until after 1.11 dropped, as some people are so fond of pointing out. Just saying, in the âzergfestâ version of AV, I literally never experienced what you described, or a zerg in AV.
Of course you arenât because it destroys the narrative that 1.12 is the only zergable version of AV.
While this is true, as many people like to point out, players (especially pugs) go with the path of least resistance. When people find out you can do 1.5 AV in 10 minutes, how many are going to be against it that wouldnât be against zerging 1.12?
My guess is if they were going to zerg 1.12 and there is a known way to zerg 1.5 theyâre still going to zerg it.
The only time I ever did AV post Cata was when I was on a tank.
That is NOT a 1.5 AV. Thatâs a bastardized 1.12 AV with some 1.5 stuff haphazardly thrown in.
Is that really what you want from Blizzard?
Iâm not the one arguing for 1.5. Iâm just saying itâs apparent that 1.5 can be zerged like 1.12 can be, so saying 1.12 is bad because ZERG! is not a good argument.
My point still stands. What you linked isnât even a 1.5 AV.
Whoever titled that video has no idea what theyâre talking about.
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Tanks in Vanilla PvP are just so rare⊠While you and maybe 15 others would do such a thing in Vanilla⊠The likelihood of winning the lotto and getting a proper geared and capable tank in a PUG is just so rare that it almost doesnât sound reasonable to consider it.
Most of the time the âTanksâ in Vanilla AV are swinging a 2 hand weapon or canât hold aggro with a sword and board.
The few Bears that step up to the plate are in car gear and get smashedâŠ
Itâs awesome that you go prot for this BG, but this isnât even considering the low bar that are healers in most BGâs.
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Pretty much every time I did AV there was always at least 1, geared and specced as a tank. Pretty much the only BG worth queuing as a tank for. Well IoC as well, but thatâs besides the point.