I’d give you hearts, but I’m all out! 
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I shouldn’t have to explain such a simple concept to you but I guess I’m going to have to. Because courting those players came at a cost, namely one to the quality of the game or the meaningfulness of your accomplishments to better facilitate their ability to fit in. You know, one of the core pillars of MMOs in general that originally justified why people did things. I know this might be strange to you given you have a pretty fresh outlook on the game, but once upon a time, people did things to do them and say they did them. They didn’t need the game dangling handout gear to justify them doing things.
I guess a better way to emphasize this. Mythic+. How many people do you think run m+ because it’s fun vs people who run it because it’s got gear associated with it? Even of that, how many people go past 15 just for that sake of flaunting a huge IO score? Not very many compared to the grand scheme. Most people do their 15 for their weekly reward and call it good. There was a point when guilds did things that offered nothing past prestige just to proudly proclaim they did it. In Vanilla, this was guilds like Elitist jerks who pushed to kill Hakkar on hardmode. Didn’t give you bonus loot or anything, they just did it to say they did it.
Now there’s no purpose to any of that. So you killed N’zoth, so has any other brainlet who can press “Join Queue” your only way now to take any pride in anything you do is basically to raid on Mythic. Everything else is kind of expected, or so simple to facilitate completion by lesser skilled players (people unironically progress in Heroic still somehow though) that bragging about it is like bragging that you were able to drink a glass of water. Everybody does it.
Bottom line, the second Blizzard began to turn away, and outright remove some of these aspects or severely mitigate them to the point they were in very small corners they lost a lot of their older players who largely played for that purpose alone. Sure, gear was a large part of why people raided back in Vanilla and TBC, but why did they want that gear? Stats? No, it was largely to flex. That’s why you always saw people in their full tier 2 idle in Orgrimmar. It was something that looked awesome and very few people actually had. Many people raided just for that alone because there were a lot of people who couldn’t have that within their immediate reach.
Well, if you actually played with people who you played with since 2004 you’d have been able to witness the massive migration of people first hand. In just two raid tiers I went from playing with the guild I was doing Sunwell Progression with to being one of two people from that core in the very same guild. They didn’t join other guilds, they just quit.
But here, take a look at Wrath’s sub count. If you know how to read a chart accurately and not cherrypick the parts that look appealing to you, you’ll notice a trend throughout all of Wrath with the sub number. It flatlines and basically stagnates.
A stagnation occurs when you’re not making enough to offset losses and are hitting a break even. Given the vast amounts of people who announced they were quitting, some of top ranked guilds (How many people in Ensidia were still playing after first tier of Cataclysm? Spoiler, like 5. Despite going in there with mostly people who were there from Nihilum/Curse days back in 2006.)
We can objectively observe that Wrath had a large influx of players. Yet that stagnation is there, so this must mean what exactly? That those very new players were the ones also quitting? No, a lot of people to this day will proudly proclaim they began playing in Wrath. In fact it’s the second most common expansion people still playing admit to having began during. The one topping it? Mists of Pandaria.
It’s pure corporate greed. Unjustifiable and the reason folks play the game is to grind gear not buy it to show off in game. Earning in game rewards is getting less and less. Mounts, pets and now transmog sets. 3 reasons folks use to sub and play the game for now in the shop.
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Let me just save us both some time.
Is there anything I can do to convince you the Cash Shop is bad for the game and that it detracts from the rewards we recieve in the game that we all pay to play?
Yes or no.
I’ll bite before I pass out!
Starting off with condescension and insults… not usually the best route.
Seems an interesting opinion. I’m sorry you haven’t liked the game for so long. Yet Blizz has proven marketing works. And while you may think it’s trash, it has been here for over a decade.
Fresh outlook? I’ve been playing since Vanilla. o.O
I have and I still do. Across three servers. 
More condescension and veiled insults.
And none of this has anything to do with the topic of this thread.
Also: I am not going to speak to you on the points you make, due to your attitude. Next time, try to have a little less attitude and I may engage with you in a real conversation.
Not engaging with you any longer. Both of you have proven you’re incapable of having a constructive conversation.
Now I go to sleep. Night all!
Now at least on this I can agree. I don’t have any issue with transmog rewards for the 6 month sub or even on the store. Provided they offer quality mogs in game as well.
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I’ll take thats as a no.
Agree to disagree then.
And you’re starting off with crying about your feelings because I’m being condescending. Sorry, I didn’t know I had to basically kiss your feet for the privilege of explaining what is such a horribly basic concept that I could figure it out at age 10. Perhaps if you were a 10 year old I’d be more lenient, but I presume you’re an adult so it’s just sad I have to explain it.
So where do you want me to begin dissecting this intellectually dishonest piece of work you call a response? Do I begin with the fact that the game itself now resembles nothing like Wrath barring the fact undead seem to be the primary enemy once again?
Do I begin with the fact that the game at this point merely survives and doesn’t excel as it once did? I mean hell, they won’t even talk about their sub numbers anymore because the game is just going so swell for them. . . Meanwhile they’re canning employees all over the place, having decent amounts of their former big names either go to other projects, or starting up their own companies.
Maybe I’ll point out the fact that “World of Warcraft” subsists entirely on the legacy it built for itself over the years to justify its continued existence. Nobody talks about current WoW to praise it, or scratch that, obviously you have a few people who will still think this game is the best thing to land on the internet but for the most part when you mention WoW to somebody, do they talk glowingly about the current game, or is it some fond memory they had years ago when they still played the game?
A number of things I could raise, all of which disprove whatever meager point you think you were making with this.
Then clearly you slept through it or never bothered to wonder why the game was so liked at the time. Or perhaps you never were at a point to experience what the game had to offer. Your achievements tell me you did play in Burning Crusade, but you sure were not downing any raid content as most of your raid achievements for TBC come much after TBC’s relevance as an expansion.
Maybe you never got to understand because you were just perpetually stuck pugging dungeons and not actually downing tier 5 or 6 content like most of the other people.
And more crying about your hurt feelings. Just crying that you feel insulted does nothing, I hope you know this. All you’re doing is telling me this is probably a waste of time if you’re just going to ramble about your feelings all day over things I say to you.
In a discussion where we were talking about Wrath, and I mention the sub count to back up a point I make, somehow has nothing to do with the discussion. . .
Do you smell toast when you try to think?
Oh no, here it comes. He’s going to quote that and cry about his feelings because I said something condescending. All those minutes of sleep I’m not going to lose over you having hurt feelings, oh no what ever will I do?
Better yet let me ask you, since you care about things pertaining to the topic of the thread. Where once did I ever ask about your feelings or if you feel insulted, or anyone for that matter? For a guy who wants to talk about things being irrelevant, in just one post you whined THREE TIMES about your hurt feelings. Tell me where the hell that’s relevant.
Cash shop began during Wrath of the Lich King. Which was the golden age of WoW… it didn’t harm it.
Tier sets were replaced with the Azerite armor… and I believe are making a return in SL.
1 Xmog is on the cash shop… it is 20 dollars if you don’t want to purchase a 6 month subscription. Boo. Hoo.
Classes have been buggy messes since Vanilla so tell us something we don’t already know.
Yes they are firing people… ok? and? This happens in the real world.
Don’t tell me… you watched Asmon cry about the transmog being 80 dollars and missed the part where he deliberately misled his viewers. The transmog is 20 dollars or you can purchase the 6 month subscription and get the transmog for free.
As a hunter I respectfully disagree. Its finally a fantasful druidish set instead of wearing dead animals. It looks like it will also match the night fae bow which is something I was hoping for.
personally i find many of the mythic sets to be a little bit TOO much, especially all used together. generally i’ll only use 1 or 2 pieces max from mythic sets and then everything else will come from heroic or lower (depending on color matching)
don’t get me wrong i’m glad all the different set pieces are there, but I wouldn’t want that to be ALL there is (even if it came in multiple colors) give me my “downgraded” versions as well plz.
I think this is what people arguing that, because they personally don’t care for the aethetic, that it’s not a relatively “high effort” item, need to realize. This and the Wendigo Woolies are some of the only gear that looks like actual clothes layered onto a body and not painted on, stapled on, or outright floating above your shoulders.
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That sort of so players (most of them) who do not do mythic will have something to farm at an later date.
and almost imperceptibly change color and occasionally, one wing will flip over.
Like it or hate it, it does have some unique features, like the chest being a loose-swinging tunic style rather than shrinkwrapped to our torsos, and the lower portion isn’t simply an illusion created by some jacket-like attachments to the pants. The worgen heritage armor, with its painted-on rose, could have used some of that love.
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Talk? Blizz literally confirmed Blizzconline a week or two ago.
The problem with this statement is, all the “cash only deals” are grindable in game because of the WoW token.
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I keep forgetting that darn thing. Sorry misters!
Unlock all armor types for transmog on all classes. That is all.
The greatest post in the history of the inter-web.
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