I think my 10900KF is defective *It's not; I'm just dumb*

Summary

You…you win.

Everything installed fine. Running at stock settings, BSOD on installing Corsair icue

Hangs on installing MSI afterburner, WHEA error Machine Check Error AMD64 NB. Repeatable. Happens every time I try to install this software. From what I am reading, this is not software-related, but a hardware fault somewhere.

Runs Cinebench fine, full power. But simple installation of software was just poof.

Steps taken:

Cleared CMOS repeatedly after every step.
XMP on. XMP off.
2 different ram kits. Different slot orientations.
Blew out the RAM slots.
Installed windows on different drives. Different drives connected or disconnected.
Reseated CPU and cooler.
Cleaned pads of CPu.
Blew out socket.
Uninstalled all offending software.

Still, WHEA error when installing software. Realbench hangs on start, CTD.

Bye bye 10900KF…it was nice knowing you. At least Amazon is sending me another one right now.

HOPEFULLY that is what it is. If it’s the motherboard…bleh. There are no newer BIOSes to even try, it’s just got launch BIOS.

This is what I get for trashing on AMD defective parts.

You - eat it up.

Incidentally, I plugged back all my old stuff together and it’s working fine.

Yeah all that was wrong, it was a bad SATA hard drive. It’s fine now.

Or it’s a sign you should just buy a regular 10900k or 10850k!

Jokes aside
Maybe you should play the super lotto. I don’t think I’ve gotten a bad cpu out of all the Intel builds I deployed.

What else do you think could be the problem?

Have you ever had a Machine Check Exception AMD64 NB WHEA?

The only time I recall getting blue screens was when I had an asus p68? Forgot the model but it had a self overclocking switch that wasn’t stable.

Resetting it to default value in BIOS would cause it to report the default values, but the moment it got into windows I had funky clock speeds again.

What motherboard are you using? Are there any reports of z590 boards causing problems?

Gigabyte Z590 Aorus Elite AX.

It’s pretty new, so nothing I can see.

No BIOS updates either. I made sure everything was set to the default values.

Why are you using a board that supports pcie 4.0 and a rtx 3080 with pcie 4.0, but not the CPU?

I have a feeling that’s the cause, causing you to have blue screens.

Comet lake doesn’t support pcie 4.0

Change the bios settings to be pcie 3.0

PCIE 4.0 is backwards compatible to PCI 3.0

It’s supported, and automatic.

Also, after plugging my old stuff back in, I got the same machine check error later.

I think one of my hard drives again is failing.

lol yeah, pulled the drive out and it is not doing in on the new system.

i must be doing something wrong - probably by leaving secondary drives plugged in while installing windows. then putting them into other systems is borking them.

So was the chip defective or what?

Nope.

The SATA hard drive was it. It cause the same machine check exception when I tried running it on my old 8700k and RealBench experienced the same weird CPU load problems.

What I think happened is that I had all my drives plugged in during windows install, and it just did some tomfoolery on the boot record that made windows explorer system goofy when i would plug that hard drive into the computer.

I rebuilt the 10900k again without the SATA hard drive, and it is working fine.

Presently at 5.1ghz all-core @ 1.325v, 0 AVX, 48x cache, “High” LLC (medium really). Actual VR VOUT is around 1.27-1.28v.

Pretty satisfied right now. No more CPU bound in games anymore, Cyberpunk 2077 wRTX off would sometimes drop my GPU into the 70s, no more. Constantly saturated 95%+.

Scored only 17200 in CBR23, which is just okay I guess compared to Ryzen 5000 series chips, but a big uplift from the 5.1ghz 8700k (~10200).

Single core have not tried, but since I’ve done an all-core OC it probably would be around 530. I think the all-core OC is necessary, because the processor will drop down to 4.9ghz when doing pretty much anything.

I am still waiting for my 4000/CL18 RAM, but it hasn’t shown up yet. So right now I’m only at 3200/CL16.

Temperatures in Realbench at 5.1ghz all-core on the 360 CLC is around 85 max with quiet fans, which is okay.

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Is it a noticeable improvement over your 8700k?

in some games yes, in some, not at all.

haven’t tried WoW yet, but FF14 saw some gains. But it’s possible it’s just butt dyno, as these MMOs are very dynamic and it’s hard to benchmark.

Windows feels faster. Installing application is faster.

Windows environment never felt slow even on the 8700k though, so it feels that gains were not that noticeable.

Absolutely an excess upgrade.

But worth the fun imo. And I get to toss the 1600 now that I have room.

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Did some more tinkering.

No more all-core OC.

I figured out how much I need for 51x all-core (1.335v) and 48x Cache, and left the voltage fixed to that amount.

Turned on all C-states, EIST, speedstep, etc.

Changed manual active core turbo:

1 cores 53x
2 cores 53x
3 cores 53x
4 cores 53x
5 cores 53x
6 cores 52x
7 cores 52x
8 cores 51x
9 cores 51x
10 cores 51x

When all-core loaded, it’s as stable as it was with the previous all-core load of 51x, but in more lightly threaded apps like windows and some games, it will hit 52x or 53x in certain situations without needing additional voltage.

Seems pretty good this way vs. all core OC that I was using previously.

In cinebench r23, scores 1420 single core and 16544 in multicore.

It’s no Ryzen 5000, but I’m not complaining.

Glad you got it all figured out

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My RAM is MIA lol

Was supposed to be here on the 12th.

Also, this EVGA Flow Control software for my AIO is terrible. No matter what you do with the fan curves, they just do whatever they want. No rhime or reason.

Just ended up plugging the pump into the pump header, and skipping the integrated fan connections to the AIO and plugged them into a splitter onto my CPU header and controlled them via PWM on the motherboard instead, which works great.

Get it. No software at all. Best AIO on the market
https://amzn.com/B07WNJCVNW

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Thanks, I’m aware of this one’s rave reviews by GN, but I already have this EVGA which is fine now that I’ve modded it up. The coldplate/pump/radiators are all pretty similar across the board.

But basically I had a $50 gift card at Best Buy and wanted to burn it. $110 - 50 = cheap 360 AIO. The fans I swapped to were already in possession, so no loss there.

Didn’t want to pay $180 for the Corsair one they had, so I got the EVGA knowing full well I’d replace the fans. I just wasn’t ready for the poor software I guess. This was 100% resolved by just using motherboard PWM fan control and setting the pump to 50%.

Regarding the VRM cooler - surprisingly my VRM even with a 5.1ghz OC is like, 55c lol. The heatsinks on this board are MONSTROUS.

With my old LPX:

Welcome to the dark side,
is that push pull config?

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just pull intake - it won’t fit push/pull on the bottom slot because of the PSU shroud. I could do 3 push in the front of the rad, then 2 pull on the other side i guess.

CPU temps are fine (85c max during a longer stress test at 5.1ghz). GPU temps went up a little bit, about 2-3c each metric vs. the Deepcool Assassin w/3 unimpeded intake fans.

I don’t know if adding 2 more fans in this config for push/pull would help GPU temps or not, though.