I tested out the HOJ triple swing bug

[Gàldin-yojamba]

They will never admit to it being broken because they want it to remain broken. Im still waiting for an explination from 3 different threads about the combat log pics. Not one reply.

Its as if they are ignoring them.

[Harlff-smolderweb]

maybe you can answer it.

I don’t know enough about spell batching and how it gets parsed into the combat log to answer it. Does look suspicious, based on those two cropped screenshots. I’ll be keeping an eye on this topic

[Gàldin-yojamba]

I don’t know enough about spell batching and how it gets parsed into the combat log to answer it

And yet almost every other defender of it spouting it was like this in vanilla knows exactly what is happeneing.

Does look suspicious, based on those two cropped screenshots

They arnt my screenshots, id have entire multi chain set of screenshots. I dont have a paladin - and not one will provide any info - i dont have a shaman - im not currently specced sword spec.

I did plan to test this with wf and hoj (no sword spec) and record the combatlog, but my windfury totem dropping shaman friend was busy.

[Theloras-herod]

do we really need 3 threads of the exact same report?

[Theloras-herod]

I hate it when Hammer of Justice triple procs and I’m stunned for 18s…that is what we’re talking about right???

well played sir, well played!

[Gàldin-yojamba]

do we really need 3 threads of the exact same report?

Did we have multiple threads about the same topics in Vanilla? Maybe we could check with a dev and have them label it as creative use of forum mechanics.

[Spiçy-area-52 (Spiçy)]

do we really need 3 threads of the exact same report?

No. Just report the spam and move on

[Burlybuns-tichondrius]

Even if spell batching did account for why the timers are the same, that still would make no sense. The spell batching is i believe on a 400ms timer, if that is the case what melee 2h weapon are these guys using that allow an auto/hoj proc and then another auto in the same batch. Say you squeezed an auto/hoj at even the very possible beginning of the batch, perfectly timed, you’d still need something under a .4 atk speed to get another auto in there.

The other explanation is either hoj is resetting the swing timer to it’s ready state allowing it to fire off another immediate swing or we’re getting some sort of server lag. However, if the cause is some sort of server lag we should be seeing this occur on just regular auto attacks as well with no HoJ proc.

[Theloras-herod]

@Gàldin-yojamba

They will never admit to it being broken because they want it to remain broken. Im still waiting for an explination from 3 different threads about the combat log pics. Not one reply.

Its as if they are ignoring them.

i actually replied here

BROKEN - Hand of justice gives Paladins windfury

what if - and I’m not saying this to be a jerk - but what if this mechanic in fact ends up being present on the reference client? what will you guys say then?

[Gàldin-yojamba]

@Theloras-herod

i actually replied here

As did i /morechars

@Gàldin-yojamba

I will say thank you for clarifying it and proceed to macro stop/start attack into every single spell i cast and then also bind it to my mouse wheel, knowing full well that im not exploiting and infact using a clever use of ingame mechanics to increase my damage output.

But id like to be 100% certain this isnt an exploit before abusing it. RE: Qued attacks (HS:Cleave) will cause your oh to not suffer the dual weild to hit penalty.

[Theloras-herod]

They arnt my screenshots, id have entire multi chain set of screenshots. I dont have a paladin - and not one will provide any info - i dont have a shaman - im not currently specced sword spec.

the problem I had with you originally, is that you conflated two completely separate issues and called gaining Reckoning charges via use of spell batch mechanics an exploit

I retorted back to you and said that both Reck charges and Seal Twisting because of spell batching was never considered an exploit by Blizzard whatsoever - if they had, then quite literally every single Blood Elf Paladin during TBC would have been permanently banned for Seal Twisting…

[Theloras-herod]

As did i /morechars

yes i saw that - I’m merely replying to each thread as I go

[Gàldin-yojamba]

Its caused by jamming:
/stopattack
/startattack
in between the proc and the instant swing.

[Fearoftdark-herod]

Understand this VERY simple thing, if batchign wasnt here, you would still get the same effect the only diference is that one of the hits damage would only be visible a second later…

I don’t think you understand what a triple hit is. Let me explain to you.
Warrior has 2 sword, which swing at a different time, trinket gives a double attack.

So because of spell batching that does a triple hit. The delay between attacks is necessary.

Saying something like oh but it’s only 6 attacks all at once instead of 3 second later… no biggie
Paints you as a low IQ person

[Gàldin-yojamba]

the problem I had with you originally, is that you conflated two completely separate issues and called gaining Reckoning charges via use of spell batch mechanics an exploit

Because combined on a paladin only
/sit ‘exploit’ when i attack you
you have now a 100% chance to be crit
causing 1 instant attack - you then
/stopattack
/startattack
and cause that 1 extra attack to become 2 instant attacks.

So for every single time i attack you in melee, you have a 100% chance to cast 2 instant attacks back at me.

Now the hoj issue ontop

You cast 2 instant attacks towards me from exploiting the /sit and stop/start
hoj procs another instant attack - because of the stop/start ‘exploit’
you gain 2 additional attacks.

So for every melee attack i make towards you, you cast now 4 instant attacks back at me - by spamming 2 macros.

What makes it even worse is in the event any of those 4 instant attacks proccing hoj again - because it can proc from itself.

[Gàldin-yojamba]

trinket gives a double attack

Hoj trinket does not give adouble attack of anything. It makes your auto attack swing ZERO, meaning the attack you are doing becomes instant. It is then supposed to start your swing again.

[Theloras-herod]

Because combined on a paladin only
/sit ‘exploit’ when i attack you
you have now a 100% chance to be crit
causing 1 instant attack - you then
/stopattack
/startattack
and cause that 1 extra attack to become 2 instant attacks.

So for every single time i attack you in melee, you have a 100% chance to cast 2 instant attacks back at me.

lolwut?!?!?

[Fearoftdark-herod]

Because combined on a paladin only
/sit ‘exploit’ when i attack you
you have now a 100% chance to be crit
causing 1 instant attack - you then
/stopattack
/startattack
and cause that 1 extra attack to become 2 instant attacks.

So for every single time i attack you in melee, you have a 100% chance to cast 2 instant attacks back at me.

lolwut?!?!?

So for every single time i attack you in melee, you have a 100% chance to cast 2 instant attacks back at me.

So what he’s saying is by using a bunch of macro. Every time someone attacks him two times, he’s 100% going to attack the person twice.

Not sure what’s the problem

[Theloras-herod]

So what he’s saying is by using a bunch of macro. Every time someone attacks him two times, he’s 100% going to attack the person twice.

Not sure what’s the problem

no he’s saying that a Reck Paladin would attack him THREE times instantly - which is INCORRECT

[Gàldin-yojamba]

Every time someone attacks him two times

Every single attack the paladin recieves will result in 2 instant attacks at whoever they are targeting, instead of 1.