I still don't get how the Incarnates are the villains

Their ideals state that “dragonkind should be subservient to no one”.

Which, is a GOOD THING. Dragonkind SHOULDN’T serve anyone but themselves!

I seriously don’t know why the Aspects and those under them don’t just establish themselves as separate from the titans once they were given their gift, and live with this new power, only protecting Azeroth if they choose to, because, news flash, dragons are the supreme beings and should be able to do whatever they want, because they are the master race.

Even if they are ‘tainted’ by the touch of the titans, they could at least not have to listen to them. Why do the Aspects insist on listening to non-draconic beings??? “Oh but they gave the dragons their power!!!” So? They shouldn’t have to listen to them because they are non-draconic.

The real villain here is the WoW narrative and writing team… for writing such vile crap. The Incarnates are honestly in the right. If only any of them weren’t wholly plank-of-wood boring. Hell, even the Aspects are boring characters. RIP.

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Dragons are H0mo Sapiens
Protodrakes are neanderthals

That’s pretty much the conflict

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I mean, we already had the quest of “Dragons were treating dragonkin as subservient slaves!” which doesn’t paint the Aspects in a flattering light.

Morally gray. :dracthyr_a1:

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I’d rather them treat non-draconic races as subservient slaves.

The incarnates are clearly villains just based on how we saw Raszageth treated her followers in the first raid and how Fyrakk just burns a centaur to dust for bugging him.

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that quest was fun and a pain to finish
but yes they are trying to fix a wrong

protodrakes are mindless animals. Only those specific incarnates are sentient.

That’s like humans and monkeys.

Their cartoonishly evil methods make them the bad guys. Raz came out and just started killing people, there is no room for discussion with them, they attack you on sight without even considering offering you a position in their ranks. They also have a habit of treating their own like disposable garage, a hallmark of evil characters.

They’re just lame villains through and through and I find it exceptionally difficult to empathize with or even care about them

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That’s Blizzard’s trademark garbage writing at work lol.

Even if they were written well, it would still be hard to care because they came out of NOWHERE! Villains need to be built up over expacs, like Garrosh was, if the player is to care.

I will say, the cartoony garbage is in-line with how they kiddified this game, but that still sucks.

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Their intended purpose is to return Azeroth into the primordial elemental wasteland which no mortal life can hope to survive.

Our players are mortal life that cannot survive an elemental wasteland.

If they simply didn’t want to be “slaves to the titans” they could have simply just done that. But their goal is to kill all of us as well.

That’s why they are villains.

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why? dragonmaw orcs enslaved alexstrasza
we killed ysera
we killed malygos
almost killed kalecgos
we killed murozond
mortals over dragons

they need our help for every little thing because they can’t take care of it themselves

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Dragons. Above. All.

If you find yourself sympathizing with the bad guys…

Maybe the writing isn’t as bad as people say.

Ultimately, they want the world returned to the way it was. (Sounds fine) But we’re not part of that plan. (Uh oh) So it’s us or them.

It could be worse.

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It’s not their philosophy, it’s their methods. They are causing waton destruction and suffering because they can. The Primalists are the ones trying to uphold an ideal and recruiting. The Incarnates are just…walking/flying nukes. Causing destruction just because they can. Perhaps it was different in the past when things first got started but in the here and now, they definitely villians.

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Its chaos v order thingy.

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To borrow a line from a youtube video I saw:

“Eww, flesh. Eww, mortals. Made of flesh. Ewww. EWWWW!”

That’s why they’re villains. They hate soft, fleshy things like us mortals.

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Honestly after Cata and now with this expansion it further proves that dragon kind are just really incompetent and lack any sort of initiative.

This is one thing that it’s been getting very, VERY tiresome of WoWs story is us as the heroes, savior, commander, whatever buzzword title they give our player character doing all the legwork, but rarely getting recognized or receiving credit for “saving the day” while the big-name characters sit around and talk about their feelings and do nothing or make things worse. (And before someone says that’s too hard for them FF14, ESO, and even GW2 do it)

Thank god, they’re no longer the “protectors” of Azeroth.

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We’ve seen glimpses of the Primalist Future (hellish wasteland that sucks) and the ancient past before Tyr (hellish wasteland that sucks). The Primalists and Incarnates want Azeroth to be returned to the time before the Titans which was a hellish time when the only real forces were the Black Empire and the Elemental Lords. Neither of those forces were friendly to mortal life.

I’m trying to wrap my head around them calling us Mortals when they are mortal themselves. Long lived but still mortal. None of them are Aspects (who play by different rules). It just feels weird.

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The thing is, when you know where your power comes from (and you know it can be taken back by force by the people/things that gave it to you), especially when the people/things that gave you that power were kind to you, you’re pretty likely to follow their general direction, even if not precisely.

A large part of what the Incarnates didn’t understand about Alexstrasza’s decision to align with the Titans and lock them away was what had happened with Galakrond, and according to Alexstrasza a complete breakdown of communications between the Primal dragons and the Order dragons.

This, too.

The Dragonflights generally see the Titans as creators and builders. They see the Primal Incarnates as chaos and destruction (which thus far they have proven to be).

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