I still don't get how the Incarnates are the villains

Because they want to rid Azeroth of the Titans’ stain. And that means killing us.

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Drakthyr riding a dragon mount…

We didn’t decide to fight the Incarnates, they decided to fight us. Personally, I would’ve picked them over Alexstrasza and company.

Fyrakk is my spirit dragon.

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That kinda thought process gets between 10-25 of us sent your way, so maybe relax on the ‘dragons rule everyone else drools’ rhetoric.

The protodrakes are just a force of nature. Galakrond was going to eat everything. The Titans manipulated the drakes creating the dragons and they got rid of Gakakrond. The elementals didn’t like the Titans meddling and created the Primal incarnates as their version of the aspects.

Two wrongs don’t make a right.

The Dragon aspects are more reasonable towards us mortals. However, they’d probably exterminate us at the behest of the Titans. Despite their love of the Night Elves even maybe. It’s clear they are willing to use their immense power to bully us along the timeline they believe in.

The incarnates simply don’t want us around and want Azeroth to return to a fully prehistoric elementary state… you know Ragnaros style.

Some how shamans can deal with these elements. Maybe there’s a good reason for it. However the way the incarnates are going about it is entirely evil.

Mortals are an infestation, barely tolerated at best by the Titans.

So if you’re a mortal your choice is serve the incarnate because this world is under the thumb of the Aspects or work with Dragonkind and preserve the present as it is. And apparently all the awful bits of the past as well.

Honestly at this point. I understand what Sargeras was on about and why he created the legion. However the call of the void is also very tempting…

I can forgive Neltharion. He was actually on to something lol.

I was under the impression that it was the other way around–that the Very Special Drakes got rid of Galakrond, and the Titans rewarded them for their Very Specialness.

Not that it really negates anything else you said, carry on.

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I could be wrong. My memory is very leaky.

writes down notes about Arwuld for Shaw

The real question is where did they find all the Primalists?

What do they even tell them to recruit them? “Hey you! Ever wanted to live in an elemental wasteland? Join today!”

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The incernates ,I believe are misunderstood but the ones leading are not the all of them,it is alright to stand up and fight for that right to be what you wish to be as an individual but not right to want everyone to follow and idea solely base one idea.The whole of the expansion we seen individuals struggling for a seat of power,is that person right at that time? yet, we see them unite to be whole to be have one idea they all share.

There is no island with one rule when there are more than one person.

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Tolerated? or controlled ? It is so much easier to control a species and have it wiped out then for it to bite back for it survival. Just how many experiments did the Titans do on Azerothains in the past they have lied about.

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I’m guessing shamans talking to the elements. Instead of the shaman like making a deal with the elements the elements subvert their will… like maybe they just can’t control themselves fully anymore and channeling lightening just feels so good they won’t stop even if it means a nuclear wasteland future or they are fodder.

So in a way the incarnate shaman is probably a victim of circumstance. Who lost control over themselves to powerful evil elementals.

The Valdrakken guards say things like “Follow the law of the dragons”. No thanks. You can though. And “Honor. All. Dragons.” Razageth and her siblings are dragons though

they’re not - we are. Always have been.

It may sound noble at face value but when the means of achieving that becomes everyone else’s slaughter or subservience to achieve that goal, it isn’t so noble.

When the only way you can think of spreading your “noble” ideals is murdering everyone else and perhaps destroying the world, you are, by definition, the bad guy. I don’t care how much their idea makes sense.

The biblical god isn’t a human either. But a very significant amount of people in real life listen to the word of god.

The Titans are practially gods, who are also effectively the parents of modern dragons. Makes sense they would revere them. They didn’t have to listen, they choose to. Well there might have been some Titan mind control going on, but we don’t talk about that.