Same here, actually. I loved the movie and many episodes of the cartoon.
I also enjoyed the comics quite a bit and kind of want to see that version of the Mask on the big screen as some sort of horror slasher/thriller type movie.
It’s all good. I didn’t take it that way! ![:smiley:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/smiley.png?v=6" ":smiley:")
Once you tack on the general themes of hope/destiny versus doubt/possibility I agree with that characterization. But I’m the sort of contrarian who looks for the moral blindspots of a “good” outlook so this version of things suits my tastes a bit better.
Also I don’t like monochrome motifs, so the “good guys” may as well dress in lots of different colors.
I don’t care what anyone else says. A’dal is a cool guy. He saved Crusader Bridenbrad.
I’ve always kind of maintained the idea that Naaru are BEINGS of the Light, and not EMBODIMENT of the Light.
Big, spooky alien creatures looking for champions to act in their name. It’s canon that the Eredar/Draenei were one of the most advanced races in existence. How many entire worlds were eradicated because of the Legion, but this one race just randomly gets divine protection because they’re pitied? I don’t buy that it’s out of the goodness of whatever the equivalent of a heart is for a Naaru.
Take any race, and Champions of the Light always have shining, glittering armor, and giant swords/maces, strong in body and mind. What an astonishing coincidence that they’re all the same, in that way.
naaru have different personalities
Xe’ra is the only one who was planning to do lasers to Illidan
also has no one questioned yet why Illidan didn’t want all the fel taint removed even though he would have 100% kept his free will as is evident with every Lightforged in the main timeline
You know those dudes who think the ugly, worn-out Walmart trilby they bought is a “chick magnet?”
Where has the Light ever suggested such a thing? If anything, we’ve always been shown that the Light wants unwavering faith and loyalty with little to no regard for emotion or happiness to those not loyal.
With a couple exceptions, from 2004 to…what year did Legion release?
I must’ve forgotten the parts where Arthas brought happiness to Stratholme or all the cheer and good will spread by the Scarlet Crusade. The Light has always answered to people regardless of alignment.
Those are the couple exceptions. There’s also the Argents and Tirion, who literally saved the world, Velen and the draenei, who also literally saved the world (and the blood elves), Anduin the golden child, Yrel, who literally sided with torturers to save everyone…
They’ve had people use good powers for bad causes, like you said, but we can’t say that the Light universally demanding conformity isn’t an invention of the last year or two. The Scarlet Crusade and Arthas doing hard but (at first) justifiable things were always the ugly exception and the skeletons in the closet, not the rule.
Holy heck that actually sounds incredible. I still don’t have a Nintendo Switch either AAAAAAAAGH
…what if I like both? The Lore says I should explode if I’m both, but the Lore is so confused that I think I’m just going to find my own loopholes and have fun.
grumbles under breath
Starts drinking Holy Light AND Void in the same mealtime.
I think it’s less the Light and Void are ‘the same’, but their ultimate goals are similar.
The Light wants everything to come under it’s guidance and create a single timeline, and is motivated by the strongest of wills, and thus those least likely to bend to the wills of others.
The Void wants to consume everything and/or convert everything into more of itself and is obsessed with exploring every single potential action, all at once, to create a multitude of timelines where it can continue to extrapolate infinitely.
Both need Mortals to achieve their goals.
The Light does not care who calls upon it, so long as they have a will strong enough to do so and believe absolutely in the user’s ideals, modified under the Light’s influence.
The Void does not care who calls upon it, so long as they can manipulate the user and use them to further the Void’s reach via madness.
Both ‘sides’ are the two original primal forces and are taking a very, very Macro-esque approach to things. And neither side is entirely monolithic, given that Xe’ra was supposedly the ‘Mother of Light’ … and yet the Shattari and the Naaru who came with the Draenei to Azeroth saw fit to avoid her like the plague until she sent her core to Azeroth in a last-ditch effort for aid. That doesn’t exactly strike me as a all-in team-effort, but rather that individual Naaru probably have their own approaches to the Light, given their crystal-like appearances, each is probably a ‘crystallization’ of an interpretation of the Light.
Old Gods, on the other hand, are literal manifestations of a combination of types of psychoses, madness and body-horror … or at least the ones who landed on Azeroth and were basically designed to be self-sufficient army-producing mountains of alien, undying flesh and horror.
I made a thread back on the older forums that I am still trying to dig back up, curse my constant race-swapping, about the theory that the Old Gods were not a unique creation, but rather the Void Lords copying the ‘Light Lords’ usage of sentient fragments of the original Light, the Naaru, to create their own servants.
It also begs the question that, if the Void Lords need to create a Void Titan to actively enter the rest of the Multiverse, then why can’t the Light’s counterparts just sweep through the cosmos like the Titans used to, unless that light the Void, the Light is also ‘sealed off’ from the rest of the Multiverse and can only influence events via proxies or servants created through unique circumstances or draining rituals.
I think what he’s trying to say is that just because people have used the Light mostly for good (and sometimes for evil, but mostly good) doesn’t mean the energy source itself is innately good.
When the time comes that we have a Light aligned Expansion-length antagonist, I don’t think we’re going to see the Argents, Tirion, Velen, Anduin, etc portrayed as all being wrong/bad all along. Of course they were good people. And they wielded the Light. But they weren’t good BECAUSE they wielded the Light and the Light wasn’t good just because THEY wielded it.
Instead, we’re going to see that the Scarlet Crusade, Arthas, Xe’ra, and AU Yrel (among others) are not just “ugly exceptions and skeletons in the closet.” They’re as much a valid manifestation of the Light as more generally benevolent individuals and institutions. Not as widely embraced, but not necessarily a corruption or mistake either. That the Light has more facets than many may have previously thought and those were just small potatoes compared to what a future Light-using threat might look like.
Illidan couldn’t afford to be less edgy. He HAS to be the edgiest. Some demonic Elves just don’t want to heal.
Also, he told Xe’ra no, but she still tried anyway. So Xe’ra got a Cyclops blast to the face.
But Xe’ra went down a bit too easily, honestly. Almost suspiciously easy.
Yeah, Disc priest are ticking energy bombs lol.
“Mr. Raidlead, I don’t feel so good…”
To be fair, we had just reassembled her ‘core’ with the rest of her, which was in a dormant state for however long, on a world suffused with an incompatible power with her own existence, and she’d been expending her power constantly to reach out to and touch the minds of the PC and to also keep tabs on Illidan as his spirit was trapped in the Twisting Nether for however many years he was trapped there, considering the temporal ‘dissonance’ with the material plane that turned 30-something years into a thousand for Alleria and Captain McGoesAlongWithWhateverXe’raWants Turalyon.
She jumped the gun and tried to force the prophecy she had crafted and forced to come to fruition before her power stabilized and without enough allies to help get the job done and got fried for her troubles.
I just hope that when that happens, they don’t leave those people out. I’d LOVE to see Velen tell Yrel what she’s doing is wrong. I’d love to see Turalyon struggle internally with “What’s going on feels so wrong, but the Light is telling me it to do it. It’s the Light so, it must be good, right?”. I’d love to see Anduin struggle with not only being a king, but also with his faith like that, although, Anduin’s a smart kid, I’m sure he’d side against Yrel once he realizes what she really wants.
Yeah, great points. I don’t know I guess I kind of thought that a Prime Naaru would still take more than a Cyclops blast to defeat, even after all that.
Naaru are fragile windchimes lol
Also, they missed a chance to give us Old Man Illidan with that. “Illidan, dude, you look like hell, what happened?” “I have SEEN THINGS, MAN!”
Honestly, prophecies are a load of Gronn shyte. Fabricated by beings who see mortals as pawns to encourage and persuade them to one side or down a certain path.