I know there are a lot of guilds that consider themselves casual. They don’t care much about world buffs and raid very casually. The problem is, at least on my server, every guild, even the dad guilds, are running Naxx almost exclusively. I just hit 60 with this character and I really wish there were more guilds like what I had in vanilla. My guild back then never even dreamed of clearing Naxx; in fact we never even tried.
I don’t mind running SR’s and I don’t care that much about loot, but I’d love to actually raid those old raids every week with the same group of people, and not be expected to actually raid Naxx, as I’m just not that serious about the end game content anymore.
I’m finding that a brand new level 60 is either forced to run Naxx, or simply run SR runs with strangers. This isn’t my first 60, it’s actually my fourth, but I’d love to get involved with a group of people who are really super casual and just having fun. I know those don’t really exist, but it makes me sad.
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There are a few of these guilds around. I know of at least one horde side and one alliance side on my server. You are right though, they are rare. My own guild finally got Naxx to 1 night so we can do AQ40 and BWL again on night 2 and we let lower geared and our more casual players into at least BWL. Yes though, the pretty casual guilds are definitely harder to find at this point in the content cycle. I found one when my ally hit 60 and I loved progressing with them through MC and BWL. They were really causal and just a great group of people.
I remember one of my dads was in a guild that only progressed to BWl and aq 20 and I got an invite for ZG/ Aq 20 runs.
Mainly pvp back then, was nice to get some filler gear.
Now days it seems if you want to do old raids you gotta join the GDKP runs.
So what happened to all the dad guilds? Did they fall apart? Did they stop playing? Seems like AQ40, and now Naxx, has forced a lot of casual/dad guilds to either go at least semi-hardcore of fall apart.
Suspect that some of the players went to retail for reasons and then what’s left merged with other bigger guilds.
Yeah, I do think that those guilds have made it to naxx just since the content has been out so long and everyone knows how to play to get there now. The sad truth is that even Dad guilds need to get a bit sweaty and partake in the consume/WB meta to progress through naxx.
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I always figured a dad guilds only requirement was to show up on time and be somewhat competent. If you’re requiring world buffs and consumes are you still a dad guild?
I get what you’re saying, I really do. I’m just saying that I think we’re at the point 15 years after vanilla on the content virtually no one cleared that even Dad guilds want to “beat” the game and they’re willing to sacrifice some of that casualness to do so. Maybe they’re still out there somewhere doing bwl, but the gdkp meta is hard to compete with.
I’m in an ultra casual Dad guild. We’re great friends, and trend a bit older (30-74). The closest we’ve gotten to Naxx is passing under it on our way to strat.
Guilds out there range from absolute slackers to hardcore. I’m sure you can still find one that trends casual. Best of luck to you.
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daddy’s gotta bring home the epix.
Everything you’re saying makes sense. Also, let’s be honest, these types of games weren’t really made to be casual (by today’s standards) at endgame.
That’s probably true actually. I wonder to what extent the evolution of WoW through the expansions itself is responsible for the current meta/sweat we see from players in Classic. On the other hand people have been theory crafting this stuff on private servers for over a decade so we shouldn’t be surprised that they’ve figured out every possible way to milk the most out of the game…fun be damned.
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I think you need to look harder. My alt is in a guild where ZG is considered progression.
That quote about players optimizing the fun out of the game certainly applies.
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Get into pugs you are at least somewhat familiar with the people in. There’s a few MC/AQ40 pugs on my server with roughly the same group of people every week and its been a blast.
I think that was much more common in vanilla. With the constant increase in players new guilds were always forming. Alts of 60 mains were playing with people just starting out. Lot’s of people had their main in one guild and alts in other guilds doing earlier raids
Dad guilds realized that by putting in atleast a minimal effort with consumes and world buffs, wiping for 4 hours in naxx twice a week can be avoided. Turns out dad gamers have less time to play, and in turn actually do need to be more efficient.
Also, for the op. Dad guilds like i said have less time, they’ve cleared mc and bwl for a year, and AQ for 6 months. Might as well spend the little bit of time you can raid doing relevant content to your character. Seems normal.
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I think people have definitions of Dad guild. My guild could be described easily as a Dad guild. People have their families and that’s a lot of the conversation.
I think he’s wanting more of a start-up type of guild that is super casual but I may be wrong.
That crap is nonsense.
Optimizing is the fun to some people.
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Exactly. My mains guild was a pretty traditional dad guild up until recently when they merged with another guild and now Naxx spots are reserved for the more hardcore. What I’d like to do is just join a guild of alts and such that people don’t plan to raid Naxx with, but still want to gear up to that point. It seems like almost everyone on my server keeps their alts in their normal guild and then just runs SR’s and GDKP’s.
I think my favorite time was shortly after AQ40. I hit 60 on my third at that point, which was actually my first character on this server, and I was able to get into BWL and AQ40 every week and it was loads of fun. Naxx really killed my enjoyment of progression raiding.