Well there’s the first blatantly false statement I’ve come across today
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Stick to the facts instead of ignoring important events or taking them out of context…
Your owner should tighten the leash
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Gilneas and Kezan are both acts of faction aggression on a neutral party.
I don’t particularly care about what the MHPs think.
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What have I taken out of context?
I’ve always said he was a bad leader. >.>
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Ok cool, but saying something objectively false as if it’s fact, doesn’t make it less false lmao, loads of people enjoyed Varian, myself included
Loads of people can still be a minority of the alliance playerbase, have you heard of the concept of hyperbole
Again I don’t particularly care that the mhp crowd loved the human content they were given, these are the same people who populated the scarlet guilds
Loads of people isn’t no one.
I will take that as a no, you do not know what a hyperbole is.
Right… Like i said, everything morally bad or questionable alliance does is ignored, to focus on how horde was bad and Garrosh was a meanie
Dude, this is beyond wrong or right, this is a fantasy world of different species, cultures and values in amidst of total world war
Look at history and see what happened across time, no one is a saint and it was always necessary to expand/invade and attack for survival and resources, wow isn’t a game of good two shoes, we attack neutral parties on a dailly basis
Yeah he did, it was a necessity to have a big port in Easter kingdoms, close to its allies because the alliance had theramore in kalindor, pouring alliance soldiers in the barrens and durotar, the scales NEEDED to be tipped to put the alliance in check in sending more forces to slaughter taurens and orcs
Again, the only delusional is the one ignoring what he did and what he achieved in cataclysm alone
Again, just reposting so you can pretend you didnt read:
That is exactly what i said.
Varian and Garrosh were basically the same character in wrath and Cata, but they decided “yep, now garry is the expansion villain and Varian will be the hero”
The only race their population actually still exist is because of the horde, when you sworn a blood oath you have to keep it, and again, things would not scale this way if Lorthemar himself was not crap at politics throwing veiled insults at Garrosh, making him suspect the elf
Undying loyalty is 100% resonable for a warchief, and its in his right as warchief, to ask for it:
Lok’tar ogar! Victory or death - it is these words that bind me to the Horde. For they are the most sacred and fundamental of truths to any warrior of the Horde.
I give my flesh and blood freely to the Warchief. I am the instrument of my Warchief’s desire. I am a weapon of my Warchief’s command.
From this moment until the end of days I live and die - For the Horde!
Started what you fool?
now you will have to prove here, what Garrosh was starting, because Vol’jin taking the islands from zalazane happened BEFORE THE CATACLYSM HIT, and Garrosh didnt do ANYTHING YET, and the alliance attacked the horde first ONE DAY BEFORE THE CATACLYSM happened
The attack in guilneas horde and alliance war was already waging for months
Did Garrosh took your toys and your money lunch or something?
ITs baffling that you are distorting literally everything to make him the villain, Garrosh WAS the one being rational, It was Cairne who wa sbeing irrational, asking for a duel due to anger not thinking straight LOL
Cairne literally lost his weapon because Garrosh made a precise strike that shattered it and cut his chest.
With or without the poison Garrosh would have won in the end, Cairne is strong but he is old and slower and had to weapon. He had enough experience fighting ogres to know bigger and stronger foes
Yes, exactly, thats exactly what he should have done, you respect your leader and dont challenge his authority for his position out of a tantrum. He should have backed down and trust Thrall judgment to put Garrosh as leader and confirm if he was indeed him who order the druids to die
Yes, because it would show he still submit to this leader.
Yeah, you can cope with that if you wish, Cairne had no weapons and was old, while Garry still had gorehowl and was young
Yet, you were not able to refute a single point i made
This is 100% besides the point and a total non sequitur to what we are discussing, you cant discredit stories made by him on a whim when most of wow lore is made by him
So, after getting refuted by your headcanon takes, like making up that Garrosh 'started wars and conflicts" and other bs, ignoring canon, ignoring how the species in wow have different values compared to modern day humans, you admit defeat by playing pigeon chess, a classic.
The difference is, guilneas was part of the alliance before and happened after the alliance and horde war was already going on.
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Ad hom with no substance.
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“I’m just being hyperbolic, bro”. Lmao, whatever you say. Doesn’t change the fact Varian was a well liked character from as far back as being Lo’Gosh, writing him off like that is lame by you
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It literally was not
Dude, this is beyond wrong or right, this is a fantasy world of different species, cultures and values in amidst of total world war, look at history and see what happened across story, no one is a saint and it was always necessary for survival
Your understanding of history is puerile and frankly suspect at best. We are all dumber for this. When people say Kor’kron guilds attracted the same crowd as scarlet guilds, nonsense like this is what we mean.
Varian was broadly disliked by many people who played mostly or even exclusively alliance.
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Guilneas was part of the alliance in the second war, they left after disagreements with Therenas about what to do with the Orcs
do you even lore bro?
why, because i said a fact…?
You think human story isnt filled with wars, conflicts and invasions for different reasons? lmao
sorry, i doubt you have any credibility to claim stuff like that, when you didnt even knew Guilenas was part of the alliance in the past.
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You did not say “a fact” you said an incredibly stupid thing that throughout history has only ever been used to justify butchers and tyrants.
Guilneas was part of the alliance in the second war, they left after disagreements with Therenas about what to do with the Orcs
do you even lore bro?
That means they were neutral from that point on. Can you like read what you write? Is that the issue here?
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He was also broadly liked by many people who played mostly or even exclusively alliance.
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No, i said a fact, the way you take and use the information is up to you, and if you chose to use stupidly its due to your own limits
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Sorry, the futurist manifesto’s belief of what war is is not actually “a fact”
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Wow you racist he was Red
Wow, I have Deuteranomaly so I cannot discern red from green in a lot of cases. Good for you 9 days later!
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