Except, you know, Tyrande and the Night Elves, the Alliance’s main member state in the West.
Did you not play BfA? 
I’m holding out hope that the Arathi Empire reels in horror at the revelation of:
Their Alliance cousins who employ Demons and Voidcasters within their ranks, marking them as traitors to the holy cause.
And a Horde of Monstrous Races and their traitor cousin elves that need to be purged from existence in the name of the Holy Light.
Let them flood up from the underground, and absorb the scarlets for some superior iconography and appearance and then try and lay waste to both factions.
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Some Warhammer 40,000-style Inquisition would be pretty neat to see.
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I do think there’s some fun story angles to be had by the Arathi hardliners cozying up with the Scarlets.
Like having the Arathi’s first impression of the outside world be a ‘history of Azeroth as recounted by the Scarlet Crusade’, because I really want to see how remarkably skewed and exaggerated their version of history is. There’s so many opportunities to have fun seeing the big events we’ve played through be recounted from such a biased and judgmental view as to be hilarious, like a villainous version of the Night Fae theater. I really, really want some kind of quest where the player gets to spy on the SC/Arathi and overhear that story.
Plus, the backing of a whole empire would give the Scarlet Crusade forces/theme the power that the original organization hasn’t had for years now, since we players drove them out of every established base that could provide them with provisions, equipment, and thee infrastructure and population to make them. The Scarlet Crusade on airships sounds like a really fun faction to clash with. (And when they get beaten, they can remain as zealous air pirates because that’s a great narrative excuse for how they can keep losing fights but fleeing to show up again later!)
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“We are the righteous in the Light! Demons and those who consort with them must be purged from our holy kingdom!”
Me: “haha yeaaaahhhhh…” quietly unsummons voidwalker
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Unfortunately there are people who either troll or they actually believe that since X character is of Y race and Y race is playable under Z faction, then X must be a Z character. I’ve seen it with people trying to claim that Illidan is an Alliance character because he was a Night Elf. Or trying to retroactively claim that other Night Elf characters, even former ones like Azshara are “Alliance characters”. All because Night Elves are a playable ‘Alliance’ race.
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To be fair, there are Highborne within the Night Elf ranks as of Cataclysm. The Night Elves from Dire Maul are Highborne.
Not really. Tyrande actually asks how would she know that Thalyssra won’t betray them in reference to the fact that Elisande once stood against the Legion but is now serving it. So she is skeptical that Thalyssra will be true to her word. When Thalyssra allowed the Nightwell to dissipate on its own, she basically proved that she was better than Elisande and especially Azshara.
Tyrande Whisperwind says: Arcanist Thalyssra. I remember where your order stood in the War of the Ancients. How do we know you won’t betray us and become the next Elisande… the next Azshara?
First Arcanist Thalyssra says: We do not intend to be slaves to the Nightwell. We seek to drive the Legion from Suramar and put an end to Elisande’s oppression.
Tyrande Whisperwind says: The kaldorei will fight to see the Legion defeated and the Nightwell destroyed. Beyond that… we shall see where Elune’s wisdom guides us.
https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Take_Me_To_Your_Leader
At no point did Tyrande actually say that Thalyssra is “no better than Elisande or Azshara”. Claiming that she did is a straight up lie.
Tyrande also says this once the Nightwell is gone
Tyrande Whisperwind: The Nightwell is no more. These Nightborne will learn to survive without its corrupting power, or they will perish. Let us hope it is the former.
https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Fate_of_the_Nightborne
She even hopes that the Nightborne are able to survive without needing to depend on the Nightwell.
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I never liked this quest. Liadrin and Tyrande should have argued for and against preserving the Nightwell and Thalyssra should have given in to the very Highborne temptation to save it. That display of cultural affinity would’ve gone further to justify the decision Thalyssra made when it came time to roll Horde or Alliance than the “omigosh, Lia, girl, that huffy wood elf was like so uncool to me” bit.
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That line in the Nightborne recruitment is really the one that bugs me the most.
“Well, I reached out to the night elves first…” But why would she pick them first, when the blood elves are right there? The night-elf-aligned Highborne were not written into the story, so the only similarity there is that the night elves look more like Nightborne than blood elves do. Yet Thalyssra doesn’t seem to find short and de-purpled elves weird, considering her quick marriage to one.
It even turns the meeting into a backhanded compliment to the blood elves, too, since it implies that Thalyssra preferred other options before falling back on them. Why even do that, when she could just lead with something complementary like “we have spoken at length with both factions of our kin, and we have found our hearts lie closer to yours.” Poof.
Maybe the writers were just stretching out their faction conflict muscles by making sure all interactions had an insult attached, in preparation for BfA.
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Its kinda just how the writers make every race join the horde, none of them seek the horde as their first option, they do it cause the alliance tells them no, or kills their ambassadors, or sabotages their nations defenses
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Or they, or the Horde stumble upon one another and the Horde just helps them. Like the Darkspear and the Tauren.
Although given that Sen’jin did have a vision of Thrall bringing his people to their salvation, one could argue that the Darkspear are the only ones that sought out the Horde. From a certain point of view. Given that Kul Tiran forces were already on the Island and were hostile. But that had nothing to do with Sen’jins vision. The Naga sea Witch did though.
Well, Yeah, why would you intentionally pick the side with mud-huts over the side with castles?
It makes perfect sense that the Horde is just the faction of rejects who were declined by the Alliance. 
“HEY! That’s not fair! We had a castle! Err, the bottom part of a castle! And it was so insidious that the elevators THEMSELVES claimed the lives of many a foolish adventurer, with gorgeous canals of gelatinous green goo.”
Checks notes. “And also, it’s full of… Airborne plague that melts the flesh off the body, alive or other…wise?”
“…And you’re completely sure you want me to post this to Travelocity?”
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You actually had the SEWERS of that castle. 
I call those characters “adjacent.” Illidan is Alliance-adjacent, and Kael’thas is Horde-adjacent.
Except the Zandalari, and when that happens, certain people get huffy that they didn’t seek to join the Alliance. 
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I just don’t understand that position. Like, who honestly thinks not just a Troll kingdom… but THE OLDEST AND MOST REVERED Troll kingdom… would ever want to seek aid from the faction that has several nations that have long histories of hostility towards Troll-kind?
Like, yeah, sure there were occasional quests from Zanadalari reps in Vanilla, Wrath, and Cata seeking aid to fight down corrupted Loa, but it was never a - “We’re all friends now. The oppression from Queen Azshara and the Troll Wars with the Humans are forgiven.” I saw it as more like - “Hey, this Loa is a threat to everyone. Help out and we won’t kill you on sight.”
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Still not really a personal “You suck” from the NPC. Let’s go over the scenario.
- One troll guard makes the “trash from Theramore” crack when you first arrive at the camp—but Zen’tabra immediately speaks up to defend you when that happens. The guards then fly away.
- Zen’tabra takes you to see Vol’jin while the quest text tells you how bad everything smells, and the devs even went to the trouble of animating flies buzzing around Vol’jin. Since I’m sure you don’t sully yourself by playing Horde, let me explain that he never has flies around him in any other scene in the game, ever. They are purely there for you.
- The comment about letting Sylvanas raise the corpses doesn’t even come up unless you sass Vol’jin and ask why the Alliance shouldn’t just keep the Barrens supplies for themselves. Since you know about it, I guess we know which dialogue option you picked.
- And then, after that, you still have the option to make him beg.
- And even if you do sass him and force him to beg, after you turn in the follow-up quest, Vol’jin thanks and praises you. He tells you, “Ya done good” and “Ya earned me trust. I will put me faith in tha Alliance to do tha right ting.”
So yeah, if that’s your example of the Alliance PC being “abused” by Vol’jin and the trolls, it just doesn’t stand up. The scenario goes out of its way to give you ways to resist.
Link to a video of the quest for anyone who wants to see for yourself:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fv3rZdiqAgU
Note that the player in this case did not choose to sass Vol’jin. The text for what happens if you do can be found here:
https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Vol%27jin_of_the_Darkspear_(Alliance)
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The story is more focused on characters and not factions.
Lmao
Cataclysm thrall had less content than any of the alliance leads we’ve had.
Alliance players screamed horde content.
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Stopped reading here.
Stuff like this, this right here, is why I despise the Horde.