You mean the one where he threatens to have us raised as undead by Sylvanas while the trolls call us trash that washed up from Theramore? Honestly, I still wish we never had to interact with him back in MoP and all I can say is I am glad he had to beg for Alliance aid.
I canât say Iâm excited for yet another Anduin pity party, a new human nation pulled out of someoneâs butt, and another round of Human Potentialâ˘.
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The new Arathi empire has me interested. A empire full of xenophobic religious zealots sounds like a fresh change for once concerning humans
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You completely understand that anyone that pays any form of attention to lore in this game, is going to completely tune out when you say things like that, right?
Say it with me. Kaelâthas. Has. Never. Been. Part. Of. The. Horde.
Iâm aware that Warcraft 3 and BC was probably before some of the postersâ hereâs time. But by suggesting that Kael was part of the Horde, it really only serves to lower your argumentâs credibility. And reinforces a thought that you didnât really research a lot of the history for your arguments. Itâs not just objectively false, it is false.
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Yeahhhhhhhh. I mean, as a character, I donât super-hate Anduin. But as the story-crux he is for an entire faction, I think I can get your argument. Also, I just wanted to show off my Manâari timerunner(Iâm the OP).
Strange times when Iâve went from loving the Horde for the, âLooks evil, but has a good heart,â to âWell, is super evil but looks⌠Well, pretty evil, too. But weâll let you in, because Alliance.â
/waggle
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I can see assigning pre-joining Highmountain as horde because of the shared ancestry thing (because theyâre tauren), but Iâd think that same logic would make Suramar an even stronger link to night elves because theyâre both a historical and personal connection due to some of them living long enough to have actually been there, like Tyrande being there to comment on it.
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Horde gets the Highmountain Tauren like they did.
Alliance should have gotten the Broken Draenei from the Argus zones
Nightborne Elves should have been neutral and gotten to chose factions like the Pandaren.
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Mm, to me, the answer is the same as âIs Dathâremar Sunstrider night elf lore or blood elf lore?â He was physiologically the same species as night elves and they all came from the same nation with shared history, but he was of a different self-segregating social class at odds with what the modern playable night elves are all about and heâs a key figure in the lore for a distinct other group.
Suramar had a link to the night elves, but that only ever came up in Tyrandeâs quote about âthe city of my birthâ and never mattered elsewhere. Meanwhile, the Nightborne culture was just a purple HD version of blood elves, complete with their own well and severe withdrawal when connection with that well was lost leading to Withered/Wretched transformations. The closest modern night elf link was the body shape, the skin-baring outfits the Nightborne wore, and the moon iconography (even though we donât know what the Nightborneâs worship or lack thereof of Elune is like).
I dunno, they felt separated enough by the gulf of years and changes that happened in the meantime, that itâs as weird to me as calling troll lore as night elf lore because night elves came from trolls, or calling night elf lore as blood elf lore because blood elves came rom night elves. Sure, thereâs a decent argument to make there, but I donât think itâs a particularly strong one.
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I viewed the whole - âNightborne choosing Horde over Allianceâ - as basically:
- The Nightborne ARE the Highborne from Azsharaâs Empire. They revolted against Azshara only when she attempted to open a second portal in Suramar and they then hid under their magical dome for 10,000 years because they thought the world had ended.
- Since they are the upper class Highborne, they are the same social class the High/Blood Elves descend from
- When presented with the choice of which faction, they were simply being asked - âDo you side with your nephews and nieces, or do you side with your gardeners and maids?â
Seems like a pretty easy choice, especially when Thalyssra got told she was no better than Elisande or Azshara.
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I was frankly a bit disappointed that there werenât more personal and/or familial connections between Nightborne characters and night/blood elf characters.
Like if Thalyssra was third cousins with Dathâremar and was curious to know what happened to him, or if Lyâleth Lunastre had been childhood friends with Tyrande and they still had some sentimental gifts they had once given each other, or if High Botanist Telâarn had once employed a young Malfurion as a gardener and was curious what that unkempt hippie had made of himself in the intervening years, or if the captain of the Suramar guard had the surname Brightwing, etc.
For all that the Nightborne are the preserved ancient societies of the night and blood elves, theyâre surprisingly lacking in real connections to either playable group.
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Yeah, those ideas sound really cool and I like them. It really was a shame that Blizzard didnât lean more into the Nightborne > High/Blood Elf connections other than - âthey are both addicted to magicâ.
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The most glaring one for me is the lack of any connections between the Nightborne and the Shenâdralar. They were one of the most prestigious institutions of the Kaldorei empire, there is no way they did not know one another at all. It remains criminal to me they did not use Mordent Evenshade at all in politics with the highborne.
No, lets just let Tyrande be a cactus and drive them off. That is a much better idea.
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There is no point in pointing out stuff like this to a troll. They donât care if they are wrong. They donât care what people think of them. They care if they get you to post and if they can make you upset.
Just block them. Donât feed trolls.
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They did have a stronger link. But they also were the same group of arcane using NEs they exiled. (âMana addictsâ is what Tyrande called them.). In the end they actually wanted to ally with the NEs, but were turned down.
âIt would seem âEluneâs wisdomâ guided her away from the bond we once shared.â
Though the reason Blizzard chose this path may have had a lot to do with balancing the Alliance getting Void Elves.
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See this is why itâs frustrating that blizzardâs devs brag about not needing to know lore.
they make up whatever they want on the spot, but itâs almost never as interesting as something they couldnât worked on from the gameâs literal past.
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For sure this is Blizzardâs real reason. But I think itâs kind of funny and ironic that the race that was just an afterthought for an Allied Race got an actually better backstory for why theyâre on the faction they are. All Void Elves got for their story was - âRommath said no Void, but we did it anyway and now weâre mad they kicked us out.â
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canât help but agree here. and like as i recall male nightborne have a /silly line making fun of how many kinds of elf there are now. iâm glad they made them playable, and i donât really think having them on the horde is a terrible choice, nor do i think it must have been a given that theyâd join the alliance, but they certainly donât have more in common with the blood elves than they* do the highborne already in the alliance. it was pretty annoying doing the recruitment questline and seeing how little sense their alignment with the horde wound up making. the most weâve seen of relations between them and belves now* is lorâthemar/thalyssra, which is profoundly w/e to me tbh*
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Is it really that big a difference?
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Since Anduin became High King and everyone bowed to his obviously superior morality, yeah⌠Iâd say it is bit of a difference. Although I expect the fact that Anduin will apparently have a heart-to-heart with Faerin, that zealousness of the Arathi will break off and become the Scarlets 2.0 and we have to fight them.
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No. But the reactions from certain posters will be amusing to watch. Which is why I made the distinction 
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