Because you refuse to take context into account? Yeah, that’s not the “gotcha” you think it is.
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Varadoc continues to be a baby
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If they are always Alliance characters, they are doing a poor job of moving away from factions.
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Well, they’re halfway there. They’re pretty good at making these world characters feel like they don’t care about the Alliance, just their own personal goals.
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I don’t know. The one the next expansion is centered around, Alleria, had a an anti-Horde rant that Horde players got to listen to before they were required to go off and help her.
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Which is funny, because if they hadn’t of done that, it would make her so much more of an accessible character for both factions, I feel like. All those, “Tell me more,” lines with Jaina get tiresome when you’re playing a Horde character. Cool, important NPC #3. I very much do deserved to be verbally berated for what my faction did, that I, as a character, had no agency in.
It really starts to take you out of the fantasy when you’re getting insulted for things you really couldn’t change, anyway. And while I’ll say some of us definitely are masochists; it gets extremely tiresome apologizing for things you never had control of in the first place. What a stupid direction to take things when it involves half the playerbase.
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Wish there was a Backhands NPC for berating you for things we had no control over option. At least it would be amusing instead of tiring and like you said, taking most people out of the moment.
Happens once? Okay, great, but when every other zone has an alliance NPC you’re forced to quest berating you? You start to dread it and wish the leveling experience was over already
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You did have control. You had the control to pick which faction to play, and you chose Horde.
You are aware that’s not the point being made, yeah?
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Way to miss the point, again. And like Vedhu said, wasn’t even close to the point I was making
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Bwahahaha
“This is exactly how the Horde feel with their villain sagas … One of us! One of us! One of us!”
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Blizzard should just make a new evil orc faction and have it stick & stay around so the WC1/2 fanboys on both factions can shut up about trying to give the New Horde villain sagas, its tiring to no end to see Blizzard’s lack of creativity. At least Garrosh was actually compelling, Sylvanas was just a clownshow done instead of something oh idk, actually interesting
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Sylvanas’ villain arc honestly just felt like a rushed attempt to quickly validate all her naysayers & haters – Then simultaneously be like:
- “Tadaa, surprised you all hey!?”
- and also “See!? She was exactly what we all thought.”
If they made her a morally greyish yet still considerably terrible fallout-of-consequences villain – Personally (and obviously pre-SL lore / retcons) I would’ve made it so her plan was to still destroy the Crown of Domination of the Lich King — and have the undead spread throughout Azeroth all gain their own individuality and free-will … but then work off that.
This would create immense numerous factions of undead throughout the world gain their own autonomy – whether for better or worse. Along with giving rise to magnitudes of necromancers and armies of undead who seek to build their own glorious empires.
Ultimately:
You could have it as Sylvanas had shattered the crown to lay claim towards uniting all sorts of various undead into her own ranks and portray it as a way of ensuring her people endure, bolstering the Horde and also providing the free-will that she too was once robbed of (understandably so).
You could’ve still given a faction war by having her use fel-tactics of gathering Night Elves en-masse & sacrificing them for tremendous power to overcome the Lich King in the first place. 
Vwalah’
… However instead we got BFA & SL, so I guess we’ll have to make due
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Agreed. It was rushed and pointless, iirc it was Afrasiabi’s little ‘surprise’ on the way out the door, “If I can’t write this character no one can.”
This would be a lot better then what we were given, unironically. I’ll admit, breaking the Helm of Domination in any scenario will never not rub me the wrong way, but with that payoff, it’d be genuinely interesting compared to “The Feral Scourge wipes out Redridge, and the Helm of Domination is reforged into a burger king crown to be put on Arbiter whocares.”
Also interesting. Recruiting from the Scourge’s ranks would be a far better way to ensure the Forsaken endure, without enraging the Alliance by having the Forsaken raise corpses instead. Sylvanas getting the Val’kyr to reanimate new Forsaken would have been GREAT… if it wasn’t tied to the context of a faction war.
Honestly, I would have never had her kickstart a faction war to begin with. Sylvanas was always a villain, let’s be real but prior to BFA there was never any indication that she’d actually start one herself other then like random dialogue from Apothecary NPCS in Vanilla that she wanted to make the entire world one big plagueland) She had to be ordered to invade Gilneas by Garrosh, hell she even perfectly left alone the Argent Crusade because they weren’t a threat to her; compare this to Garrosh who made it REALLY clear that he wanted to conquer the world and had no problems bombing Theramore with Rhonin inside. Being a villain = / = being stupid, which Sylvanas is never said to be.
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I forgot about that 
The new crown for the new arbiter story sucked so hard, lol
I mean she was always capable of extreme evils (due to being undead) although I wouldn’t had described her as purely & simply evil full stop – Additionally, she still held a vestige of honour to some extent too — Even if it was incredibly twisted.
I always found the whole “Lets slaughter masses & forcibly raise them from the dead” to be out of character for Sylvanas because she and her people use to share an unfathomable hatred towards Arthas and necromancers for the fate they were forced into … So her & them suddenly going “Lets do that same thing to more people!” – just felt very: “Um sorry – What!?”
- Although it made sense for the raising of dead who they hadn’t necessarily killed themselves but had either came across in cemeteries or unmarked mass-graveyards; which seemed alright. “Yo, you died to power hungry folks? Same!! Join us & murder said-such power-hungry folks!”
However yeah, ultimately I’m not a fan of the current writing of the Horde the pass few years. 
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For the record, I don’t believe this. I do believe that both sides have absolutely legitimate grievances with the writing in this game and that both have been treated badly by Blizzard. I’ve said so multiple times in the past, and I’ll say it again now.
However, I have two further comments.
- This is a thread about the ways in which the Horde has it bad (see the title), so I don’t think it’s unreasonable to focus on the Horde in this thread.
- While both the Horde and the Alliance have problems in how the writing affects the play experience, they’re not the same problems. Having to quest regularly under NPCs who express their distaste for you is just not a problem the Alliance player really has. I repeat, though, that I do believe the Alliance player has other problems that Horde players don’t experience.
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Can you elaborate? Why this? What about this little cut from the whole post just rustles your jimmies so?
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If Varodoc were a reasonable poster, I’d think it was a matter of downplaying an extremely disgusting bit of dialogue.
But it’s Varodoc. He probably read the thread title, picked a line at random, and said, “Stopped here,” when he never even read that far to begin with.
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Simple, a Darkspear making fun of Theramore is completely unacceptable and disrespectful.
I genuinely don’t know how to put into words how HAPPY and OVER-JOYED I am that Vol’jin died.
THAT is what the Darkspears deserve.
So you’re just coping and seething at the trolls living rent free in your head, got it.
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